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  • #16
    Originally posted by Starlight View Post
    Don't be a moron. She was arrested in Canada for extradition to the US because the US requested it due to violations of the US's sanctions on Iran.
    The one that would be a moron is the person who ignorantly and erroneously proclaimed

    the US did unjustifiably arrest the CFO of Huawei


    thus demonstrating that they don't know the difference between Canada and the U.S.

    It would be no different if someone declared that New Zealand did something when it was in fact Australia. There is, after all, a difference.


    Pro Tip: If you want to come across as someone who really knows something about the U.S. perhaps you should actually, you know, learn something about us rather rely on Hollyweird depictions, TYT videos and what Wormtongue whispers in your ear. Because so far that method has failed you miserably. It's resulted in such gems as you declaring it is illegal in the U.S. for a CEO not to make a profit and that the state of New York is controlled by the Republicans.

    I'm always still in trouble again

    "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
    "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
    "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Starlight View Post
      The whole thing is about the US's sanctions on Iran. They're claiming she circumvented the US sanctions in order to trade with Iran.

      Why the US should think that it's allowed to block people from other countries trading with Iran seems a legit question. Why the US should be able to itself break the agreement it made with Iran and yet have sanctions on Iran seems also a legit question, since the sanctions should be on the deal-breaker which is the US. If the US wants to portray itself as the most immoral actor in international politics they're going the right way about it.

      Another possibility is that the Iran trading is just being used as an excuse to essentially hold her literally hostage while the ongoing US-China talks occur. That doesn't speak very well of America either.
      Maybe educate yourself:
      https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/chine...rged-financial

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post
        He gets all his information from Leftist sources, and their propaganda is that the US arrested Meng because .... ORANGE MAN BAD!

        Oh, it was Canada? Then it's because ... ORANGE MAN BAD by proxy.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post
          Originally posted by Starlight
          The whole thing is about the US's sanctions on Iran. They're claiming she circumvented the US sanctions in order to trade with Iran.
          Maybe educate yourself:
          https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/chine...rged-financial
          Maybe read your own link?

          From it...
          "Overview of the Indictment

          The charges in this case relate to a long-running scheme by Huawei, its CFO, and other employees to deceive numerous global financial institutions and the U.S. government regarding Huawei’s business activities in Iran. As alleged in the indictment, beginning in 2007, Huawei employees lied about Huawei’s relationship to a company in Iran called Skycom, falsely asserting it was not an affiliate of Huawei. The company further claimed that Huawei had only limited operations in Iran and that Huawei did not violate U.S. or other laws or regulations related to Iran. "

          ....
          “They willfully conducted millions of dollars in transactions that were in direct violation of the Iranian Transactions and Sanctions Regulations, and such behavior will not be tolerated."

          “For years, Chinese firms have broken our export laws and undermined sanctions...

          The Trump Administration continues to be tougher on those who violate our export control laws than any administration in history."

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          • #20
            I have never met a person in my life who lies about others as continuously as you do Rogue. Is there something mentally wrong with you? You deceitfully twist my words often to try and falsely portray me as being ignorant of the US in ways that are absurd. It makes you look imbecilic.

            I was aware that the physical arrest had occurred in Canada, which is not relevant given it was done at the request of the US and she is being extradited to the US.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Ronson View Post
              He gets all his information from Leftist sources, and their propaganda is that the US arrested Meng because .... ORANGE MAN BAD!

              Oh, it was Canada? Then it's because ... ORANGE MAN BAD by proxy.
              Should I take this to imply that you didn't realize from reading about this event in your inferior right wing media sources that the arrest was a politically motivated decision from the Trump administration?

              As Gondwanaland said, perhaps educate yourself by reading his link? e.g. In it a Trump cabinet member explains this arrest came about because "The Trump Administration continues to be tougher on those who violate our export control laws than any administration in history."

              In case the problem with political administrations deciding to enforce their laws against people of other nations are not obvious... what would you do if multiple different countries had laws requiring you to do mutually exclusive things? There are reasons each country's laws need to stop at its own borders. And taking a Chinese company to task for trading with Iran because America doesn't like Iran isn't a good path to be going down. Presumably next time you go on holiday you won't be pleased if the country you're visiting extradites you to China due to China issuing an arrest warrant for you because you've broken a Chinese law!
              Last edited by Starlight; 07-28-2021, 11:34 PM.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                Should I take this to imply that you didn't realize from reading about this event in your inferior right wing media sources that the arrest was a politically motivated decision from the Trump administration?

                As Gondwanaland said, perhaps educate yourself by reading his link? e.g. In it a Trump cabinet member explains this arrest came about because "The Trump Administration continues to be tougher on those who violate our export control laws than any administration in history."
                Guess what? ORANGE MAN BAD hasn't been president for six months, yet Meng is still in a Canadian jail fighting extradition. Where squishy Trudeau presides. And dingbat Lefty Biden is running the show in the US. How does Uygur spin that one?

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                  Maybe read your own link?

                  From it...
                  "Overview of the Indictment

                  The charges in this case relate to a long-running scheme by Huawei, its CFO, and other employees to deceive numerous global financial institutions and the U.S. government regarding Huawei’s business activities in Iran. As alleged in the indictment, beginning in 2007, Huawei employees lied about Huawei’s relationship to a company in Iran called Skycom, falsely asserting it was not an affiliate of Huawei. The company further claimed that Huawei had only limited operations in Iran and that Huawei did not violate U.S. or other laws or regulations related to Iran. "

                  ....
                  “They willfully conducted millions of dollars in transactions that were in direct violation of the Iranian Transactions and Sanctions Regulations, and such behavior will not be tolerated."

                  “For years, Chinese firms have broken our export laws and undermined sanctions...

                  The Trump Administration continues to be tougher on those who violate our export control laws than any administration in history."
                  Generally corporate officers aren't charged in this sort of thing but rather the business just pays a huge fine, but FWIU the reason for going after her is that there is supposedly evidence that she was personally directing these things.

                  Moreover, as you note "For years, Chinese firms have broken our export laws and undermined sanctions" and they continue to freely do so. Obviously, current enforcement of the laws is not even a speed bump to them and maybe it is time to show we're serious.

                  I'm always still in trouble again

                  "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                  "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                  "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                    I have never met a person in my life who lies about others as continuously as you do Rogue. Is there something mentally wrong with you? You deceitfully twist my words often to try and falsely portray me as being ignorant of the US in ways that are absurd. It makes you look imbecilic.
                    Shall I provide the links and let others decide who is and who is not lying?

                    Isn't it odd how you always whine after getting caught exposing your weapon's grade level ignorance about the U.S., that I'm the one who looks "imbecilic" for exposing it? smiley snicker.gif


                    Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                    I was aware that the physical arrest had occurred in Canada, which is not relevant given it was done at the request of the US and she is being extradited to the US.
                    Sure you did champ. Whatever you say.

                    Still, it's funny how you always claim to be aware of something but only after you first show that you're an ignorant horse's hind end concerning it by making brainless assertions. Obviously it must be a coincidence.


                    I'm always still in trouble again

                    "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                    "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                    "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                      Generally corporate officers aren't charged in this sort of thing but rather the business just pays a huge fine, but FWIU the reason for going after her is that there is supposedly evidence that she was personally directing these things.

                      Moreover, as you note "For years, Chinese firms have broken our export laws and undermined sanctions" and they continue to freely do so. Obviously, current enforcement of the laws is not even a speed bump to them and maybe it is time to show we're serious.
                      Meng's arrest may be connected to other things, such as attempts by the US to sour Huawei's reputation among its potential 5G customers. This would fall under the category of espionage in the larger game of tit-for-tat (I noticed that China didn't mention Meng during its recent talks/complaints with Sherman).

                      Generally, I am opposed to this sort of thing. I wholeheartedly believe Julian Assange should be released. He is not a US citizen, he did not steal US secrets (published them only), and whatever crimes he allegedly committed did not occur on US soil. IMO, the US should dismiss its complaint and leave him be. But in the case of Meng, this is a company catering to demands by the Chinese government to infiltrate foreign governments, and Meng is profiting greatly from this relationship. She is not only an enemy of the US but of any government that ignorantly purchased their 5G technology. The Biden administration seems to feel this way, and so does Trudeau's government. This subject transcends Left/Right politics.

                      At any rate, SL managed to derail the OP with this. My initial point is that any US citizen - and especially former government officials - that hire on with Huawei are being paid by a hostile foreign government for duties detrimental to the US. They are traitors.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Ronson View Post



                        At any rate, SL managed to derail the OP with this. My initial point is that any US citizen - and especially former government officials - that hire on with Huawei are being paid by a hostile foreign government for duties detrimental to the US. They are traitors.
                        The former Congressmen now on Huawei's payroll aren't as big of a concern as the current Congressmen now on Huawei's payroll.

                        I'm always still in trouble again

                        "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                        "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                        "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                          The former Congressmen now on Huawei's payroll aren't as big of a concern as the current Congressmen now on Huawei's payroll.
                          I don't think most people realize how deeply China has embedded itself in the US, either directly or by proxy. This includes our governments (local, state, and national), our news and entertainment industries, our healthcare industries, and our business interests. President Trump recognized this and was trying to do something about it. One of the reasons (if not the primary reason) hostile forces were hellbent on getting him out of the White House.
                          Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                          But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                          Than a fool in the eyes of God


                          From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Ronson View Post
                            ORANGE MAN BAD hasn't been president for six months, yet Meng is still in a Canadian jail fighting extradition. Where squishy Trudeau presides. And dingbat Lefty Biden is running the show in the US.
                            Indeed. Biden's neither good on foreign policy nor good at cleaning house in terms of replacing Trump appointees. Hard to say whether this is an oversight, in terms of being something that has been allowed to continue from the previous administration that Biden should have put a stop to by now but hasn't got round to replacing the right people in the administration, or just Biden being bad on foreign policy like Biden usually is and making a deliberate decision to continue it.

                            I'm not sure why you're making this all about Trump. If you read the first page of this thread, I was critiquing US foreign policy. You brought up Trump, not me. I would have thought that as someone whose somewhat libertarianish you would agree with me in terms of you also being against the US being too activist in foreign policy and randomly starting feuds with other countries by arresting their citizens over issues with a 3rd country like is happened here.

                            How does Uygur spin that one?
                            Took me a while to work out what you're talking about here. I assume you mean Cenk Uygur off TYT? TYT's perhaps around my 5th most watched US news source, and I can't remember if I've seen any story from them covering this... even if they have covered it, they have a variety of commentators and Cenk is only one among many so chances are he hasn't personally done a piece on this particular story.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                              The whole thing is about the US's sanctions on Iran. They're claiming she circumvented the US sanctions in order to trade with Iran.

                              Why the US should think that it's allowed to block people from other countries trading with Iran seems a legit question. Why the US should be able to itself break the agreement it made with Iran and yet have sanctions on Iran seems also a legit question, since the sanctions should be on the deal-breaker which is the US. If the US wants to portray itself as the most immoral actor in international politics they're going the right way about it.

                              Another possibility is that the Iran trading is just being used as an excuse to essentially hold her literally hostage while the ongoing US-China talks occur. That doesn't speak very well of America either.
                              If you read the actual indictment, instead of simply cherry picking your statements, you would see that the complaint comes from the company using US banks and businesses to facilitate their business dealings in Iran. (Clearing transactions, etc.) Part of that was lying to the banks (i.e. fraud) about the nature of the business they were dealing in.

                              Think of it like dealing drugs. The US isn't going to arrest a foreign national for selling drugs in a country where those drugs are legal to deal. But if that same national first moves the drugs to the US for cleaning, concentrating, packaging, etc, BEFORE then moving them back out of the country to sell, they have violated US Law, and are subject to arrest.


                              According to the indictment, Huawei relied on its global banking relationships for banking services that included processing U.S.-dollar transactions through the United States. U.S. laws and regulations generally prohibited these banks from processing transactions related to Iran through the United States. The banks could have faced civil or criminal penalties for processing transactions that violated U.S. laws or regulations. Relying on the repeated misrepresentations by Huawei, these banks continued their banking relationships with Huawei. One bank cleared more than $100 million worth of Skycom-related transactions through the United States between 2010 and 2014.

                              In furtherance of this scheme to defraud, and as alleged in the indictment, Huawei and its principals repeatedly lied to U.S. government authorities about Huawei’s business in Iran in submissions to the U.S. government, and in responses to government inquiries. For example, Huawei provided false information to the U.S. Congress regarding whether Huawei’s business in Iran violated any U.S. law. Similarly, as indicated in the indictment, in 2007 — months before Huawei orchestrated the purported sale of Skycom to another Huawei-controlled entity — Huawei’s founder falsely stated to FBI agents that Huawei did not have any direct dealings with Iranian companies and that Huawei operated in compliance with all U.S. export laws.

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                              • #30
                                CD, these seem to me to be technical violations (e.g. swearing that they are Totally Not trading with Iran, when they are), that are only being done in order to get around the Iran trading sanctions.

                                And the only reason the US cares that Huawei is performing these actions is because it cares about the Iran trading sanctions. So it all comes back to that. There are not, as far as I can see, any charges unrelated to trading with Iran in these indictments. i.e. Huawei's not being accused of doing anything actually nefarious apart from swearing to various American entities that they were Totally Not trading with Iran when they in fact were. It's not as if this person is being charged with murder, or stealing money, or any other bad business practices, other than violating the US sanctions on Iran and subsequently lying about that fact when US entities demanded to know if they were trading with Iran.

                                Calling the charges 'bank fraud' or 'wire fraud' or whatever, I think is misleading, as it makes it sound as if she fraudulently stole money or did some sort of complex financial scam or con, and obscures the fact that she conducted totally normal business dealings, and literally all she's being accused of is lying to US entities when they asked whether her company was trading with Iran.

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