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Massive Protests In France, Australia, against Covid passports and lockdowns
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Originally posted by seanD View PostThat's because it's easy to run a totalitarian system based on military intimidation alone when your citizens are unarmed.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Looks like the protests continue, at least in France: French police clash with anti-virus pass protesters in Paris
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by seanD View Post1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
They're the ones who generally direct the machinery
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by seanD View Post
What is you opinion about this, and your fellow Aussies rising up against it?
Demonstrations are acceptable - riots aren't.
There is of course, a wide range of opinion in Australian society, so I won't attempt to answer for others.Last edited by tabibito; 07-31-2021, 11:46 PM.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Poll: Nearly Half Of Republicans Think ‘Patriotic Americans’ Will One Day ‘Have To Take The Law Into Their Own Hands’
Apparently I'm a fairly typical (non-Southern) Republican, based on the various poll results.
Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
Beige Federalist.
Nationalist Christian.
"Everybody is somebody's heretic."
Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.
Proud member of the this space left blank community.
Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.
Justice for Ashli Babbitt!
Justice for Matthew Perna!
Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!
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Originally posted by tabibito View Post
Provided that it doesn't involve deliberate property damage or threat of harm, or actually inflicting harm on others, it's all good. When people start breaking things, or throwing things (including punches or bullets) whether at police or anyone else, or (as happened in Sydney) at police horses - then those people should restrained or arrested as appropriate and face legal action.
Demonstrations are acceptable - riots aren't.
There is of course, a wide range of opinion in Australian society, so I won't attempt to answer for others.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by seanD View PostThat's because it's easy to run a totalitarian system based on military intimidation alone when your citizens are unarmed.
Every temporary deployment of troops seems to be proof to you of total totalitarianism, and you never seem to pay any attention to the subsequent withdrawals of those troops from what were always going to be temporary assignments. This shows me that it's a mental health issue on your part (where you just look for any events that seem to confirm your existing obsessive belief in the totalitarianism of democratically elected governments) rather than an evidenced-based concern for tracking actual changes in overall totalitarianism (otherwise you'd equally see the withdrawal of those same troops as proof of decreased totalitarianism).
And if you bothered to look at some actual historical data, you'd see that the entire Western world, and indeed the entire planet, has been getting way, WAY more free and less totalitarian over the last century or more. The percent of people who live in democratic governments rather than totalitarian ones has skyrocketed, and if the trends continue then in another hundred years there won't be any non-democratic countries. Being paranoid that the democratic West is getting more totalitarian is pretty amusing given it's getting more free."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostIn all your fearmongering about totalitarianism, you never seem to distinguish between temporary measures which will end within weeks or months, that (democratically elected) governments take as once off in response to some obviously unusual factor (e.g. a global pandemic), as compared to permanent gradual increases in totalitarianism which would actually be of real concern.
Every temporary deployment of troops seems to be proof to you of total totalitarianism, and you never seem to pay any attention to the subsequent withdrawals of those troops from what were always going to be temporary assignments. This shows me that it's a mental health issue on your part (where you just look for any events that seem to confirm your existing obsessive belief in the totalitarianism of democratically elected governments) rather than an evidenced-based concern for tracking actual changes in overall totalitarianism (otherwise you'd equally see the withdrawal of those same troops as proof of decreased totalitarianism).
And if you bothered to look at some actual historical data, you'd see that the entire Western world, and indeed the entire planet, has been getting way, WAY more free and less totalitarian over the last century or more. The percent of people who live in democratic governments rather than totalitarian ones has skyrocketed, and if the trends continue then in another hundred years there won't be any non-democratic countries. Being paranoid that the democratic West is getting more totalitarian is pretty amusing given it's getting more free.
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Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View PostYou know, democrats and liberals could have stood to hear those words from 2016-2020.
I grant there is cause for localized concern about the US in the present day given current state of partisanship in the US, the tendency of the poorly-designed political system there to gridlock, and the increasing militarism of the Republicans as they realize they have lost the culture war (e.g. as expressed in Jan 6). But this thread is about other countries, and the trend in the Western world as a whole is toward more freedom, and other countries do not share the specific problems of the US."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostIn all your fearmongering about totalitarianism, you never seem to distinguish between temporary measures which will end within weeks or months, that (democratically elected) governments take as once off in response to some obviously unusual factor (e.g. a global pandemic), as compared to permanent gradual increases in totalitarianism which would actually be of real concern.
Every temporary deployment of troops seems to be proof to you of total totalitarianism, and you never seem to pay any attention to the subsequent withdrawals of those troops from what were always going to be temporary assignments. This shows me that it's a mental health issue on your part (where you just look for any events that seem to confirm your existing obsessive belief in the totalitarianism of democratically elected governments) rather than an evidenced-based concern for tracking actual changes in overall totalitarianism (otherwise you'd equally see the withdrawal of those same troops as proof of decreased totalitarianism).
And if you bothered to look at some actual historical data, you'd see that the entire Western world, and indeed the entire planet, has been getting way, WAY more free and less totalitarian over the last century or more. The percent of people who live in democratic governments rather than totalitarian ones has skyrocketed, and if the trends continue then in another hundred years there won't be any non-democratic countries. Being paranoid that the democratic West is getting more totalitarian is pretty amusing given it's getting more free.
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Originally posted by Starlight View Post... the tendency of the poorly-designed political system there to gridlock...
It's part of the "checks and balances".
The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostI don't have any doubt, given the evidence, that Trump personally wanted to be a more totalitarian ruler than the US system of government enabled him to be.
Probably could say the same for the various leaders of other world powers.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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