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Massive Protests In France, Australia, against Covid passports and lockdowns

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  • #16
    Originally posted by seanD View Post

    That's because it's easy to run a totalitarian system based on military intimidation alone when your citizens are unarmed.
    Exactly, when you've disarmed your citizenry it doesn't take much to intimidate and oppress them. And indeed we've seen that time and time again with totalitarian governments (cuba being the most recently in the news example).

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    • #17
      Originally posted by seanD View Post
      That's because it's easy to run a totalitarian system based on military intimidation alone when your citizens are unarmed.
      But as old Joe said owning guns won't help you against jet aircraft and nuclear weapons... although he seems to think that the government can be brought down by a hand full of unarmed middle aged idiots carrying flags and led by some guy wearing a buffalo hood and cape.

      I'm always still in trouble again

      "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
      "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
      "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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      • #18
        Looks like the protests continue, at least in France: French police clash with anti-virus pass protesters in Paris



        For the sarcastically impaired the following is said in jest

        I never knew that Trump influenced so many people in France.


        I'm always still in trouble again

        "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
        "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
        "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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        • #19
          Originally posted by seanD View Post


          Meet your totalitarian overlords...

          Military deployed to help enforce lockdown

          These totalitarian overlords of ours don't get to shoot unarmed people with impunity. Nor do the police.
          1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
          .
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          Scripture before Tradition:
          but that won't prevent others from
          taking it upon themselves to deprive you
          of the right to call yourself Christian.

          ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛

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          • #20
            Originally posted by tabibito View Post

            These totalitarian overlords of ours don't get to shoot unarmed people with impunity. Nor do the police.
            What is you opinion about this, and your fellow Aussies rising up against it?

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

              I'll be a lot more concerned when they dress like this...

              outbreak.jpg
              Pfft... It's the guys that come by wearing a tie and carrying a clipboard you really need to worry about. The ones that often tell you they're "here to help."

              They're the ones who generally direct the machinery

              I'm always still in trouble again

              "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
              "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
              "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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              • #22
                Originally posted by seanD View Post

                What is you opinion about this, and your fellow Aussies rising up against it?
                Provided that it doesn't involve deliberate property damage or threat of harm, or actually inflicting harm on others, it's all good. When people start breaking things, or throwing things (including punches or bullets) whether at police or anyone else, or (as happened in Sydney) at police horses - then those people should restrained or arrested as appropriate and face legal action.

                Demonstrations are acceptable - riots aren't.

                There is of course, a wide range of opinion in Australian society, so I won't attempt to answer for others.
                Last edited by tabibito; 07-31-2021, 11:46 PM.
                1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
                .
                ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛
                Scripture before Tradition:
                but that won't prevent others from
                taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                of the right to call yourself Christian.

                ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛

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                • #23
                  Poll: Nearly Half Of Republicans Think ‘Patriotic Americans’ Will One Day ‘Have To Take The Law Into Their Own Hands’

                  Apparently I'm a fairly typical (non-Southern) Republican, based on the various poll results.
                  Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.

                  Beige Federalist.

                  Nationalist Christian.

                  "Everybody is somebody's heretic."

                  Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.

                  Proud member of the this space left blank community.

                  Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.

                  Justice for Ashli Babbitt!

                  Justice for Matthew Perna!

                  Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by tabibito View Post

                    Provided that it doesn't involve deliberate property damage or threat of harm, or actually inflicting harm on others, it's all good. When people start breaking things, or throwing things (including punches or bullets) whether at police or anyone else, or (as happened in Sydney) at police horses - then those people should restrained or arrested as appropriate and face legal action.

                    Demonstrations are acceptable - riots aren't.

                    There is of course, a wide range of opinion in Australian society, so I won't attempt to answer for others.
                    The bolded part remind me of the joke about Chuck Norris not needing a gun, He inserts the bullets manually.



                    I'm always still in trouble again

                    "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                    "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                    "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by seanD View Post
                      That's because it's easy to run a totalitarian system based on military intimidation alone when your citizens are unarmed.
                      In all your fearmongering about totalitarianism, you never seem to distinguish between temporary measures which will end within weeks or months, that (democratically elected) governments take as once off in response to some obviously unusual factor (e.g. a global pandemic), as compared to permanent gradual increases in totalitarianism which would actually be of real concern.

                      Every temporary deployment of troops seems to be proof to you of total totalitarianism, and you never seem to pay any attention to the subsequent withdrawals of those troops from what were always going to be temporary assignments. This shows me that it's a mental health issue on your part (where you just look for any events that seem to confirm your existing obsessive belief in the totalitarianism of democratically elected governments) rather than an evidenced-based concern for tracking actual changes in overall totalitarianism (otherwise you'd equally see the withdrawal of those same troops as proof of decreased totalitarianism).

                      And if you bothered to look at some actual historical data, you'd see that the entire Western world, and indeed the entire planet, has been getting way, WAY more free and less totalitarian over the last century or more. The percent of people who live in democratic governments rather than totalitarian ones has skyrocketed, and if the trends continue then in another hundred years there won't be any non-democratic countries. Being paranoid that the democratic West is getting more totalitarian is pretty amusing given it's getting more free.
                      "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                      "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                      "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                        In all your fearmongering about totalitarianism, you never seem to distinguish between temporary measures which will end within weeks or months, that (democratically elected) governments take as once off in response to some obviously unusual factor (e.g. a global pandemic), as compared to permanent gradual increases in totalitarianism which would actually be of real concern.

                        Every temporary deployment of troops seems to be proof to you of total totalitarianism, and you never seem to pay any attention to the subsequent withdrawals of those troops from what were always going to be temporary assignments. This shows me that it's a mental health issue on your part (where you just look for any events that seem to confirm your existing obsessive belief in the totalitarianism of democratically elected governments) rather than an evidenced-based concern for tracking actual changes in overall totalitarianism (otherwise you'd equally see the withdrawal of those same troops as proof of decreased totalitarianism).

                        And if you bothered to look at some actual historical data, you'd see that the entire Western world, and indeed the entire planet, has been getting way, WAY more free and less totalitarian over the last century or more. The percent of people who live in democratic governments rather than totalitarian ones has skyrocketed, and if the trends continue then in another hundred years there won't be any non-democratic countries. Being paranoid that the democratic West is getting more totalitarian is pretty amusing given it's getting more free.
                        You know, democrats and liberals could have stood to hear those words from 2016-2020.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
                          You know, democrats and liberals could have stood to hear those words from 2016-2020.
                          I don't have any doubt, given the evidence, that Trump personally wanted to be a more totalitarian ruler than the US system of government enabled him to be. There were numerous statements by him praising actual totalitarian systems and wishing that the US more resembled those. But it's worth noting that the democratic institutions were robust enough and resilient enough to push back and prevent him actually make that a reality, and that he was unable to retain power after losing an election despite his best efforts.

                          I grant there is cause for localized concern about the US in the present day given current state of partisanship in the US, the tendency of the poorly-designed political system there to gridlock, and the increasing militarism of the Republicans as they realize they have lost the culture war (e.g. as expressed in Jan 6). But this thread is about other countries, and the trend in the Western world as a whole is toward more freedom, and other countries do not share the specific problems of the US.
                          "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                          "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                          "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                            In all your fearmongering about totalitarianism, you never seem to distinguish between temporary measures which will end within weeks or months, that (democratically elected) governments take as once off in response to some obviously unusual factor (e.g. a global pandemic), as compared to permanent gradual increases in totalitarianism which would actually be of real concern.

                            Every temporary deployment of troops seems to be proof to you of total totalitarianism, and you never seem to pay any attention to the subsequent withdrawals of those troops from what were always going to be temporary assignments. This shows me that it's a mental health issue on your part (where you just look for any events that seem to confirm your existing obsessive belief in the totalitarianism of democratically elected governments) rather than an evidenced-based concern for tracking actual changes in overall totalitarianism (otherwise you'd equally see the withdrawal of those same troops as proof of decreased totalitarianism).

                            And if you bothered to look at some actual historical data, you'd see that the entire Western world, and indeed the entire planet, has been getting way, WAY more free and less totalitarian over the last century or more. The percent of people who live in democratic governments rather than totalitarian ones has skyrocketed, and if the trends continue then in another hundred years there won't be any non-democratic countries. Being paranoid that the democratic West is getting more totalitarian is pretty amusing given it's getting more free.
                            "Temporary measures" . Oh you mean like "two weeks to flatten the curve"? That extended into two months and even more in many places? In Australia in particular many spots are on like their 6th or 7th lockdown. Nothing with government taking power from the people is ever temporary unless citizens fight back.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                              ... the tendency of the poorly-designed political system there to gridlock...
                              What you dang ferreners seem incapable of understanding is that this "gridlock" is a key component of our system to keep one side or the other from making monumental changes to our country "just because they hold the majority".

                              It's part of the "checks and balances".

                              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                                I don't have any doubt, given the evidence, that Trump personally wanted to be a more totalitarian ruler than the US system of government enabled him to be.
                                I have no doubt that every president "personally wanted to be a more totalitarian ruler than the US system of government enabled him to be." That goes especially for Mr. I-have-a-pen-and-a-phone.

                                Probably could say the same for the various leaders of other world powers.

                                I'm always still in trouble again

                                "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                                "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                                "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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