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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
Do they have the same laws as San Francisco where's it's basically legal to steal whatever you want as long it's less than $1000?
I'm always still in trouble again
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Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post
I agree. I am morbidly interested to see what the reaction will be when one or more social workers are killed in the line of duty.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post
I agree. I am morbidly interested to see what the reaction will be when one or more social workers are killed in the line of duty.
Hello police state.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostThe problem often is that when the police get there it is hardly the time or place to attempt a diagnoses for why that armed assailant is behaving in that manner.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
Do they have the same laws as San Francisco where's it's basically legal to steal whatever you want as long it's less than $1000?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
They have NO concept of the danger of an officer approaching a "domestic dispute" -- in most jurisdictions, officers are not allowed to go in alone because of the inherent danger of one or both of the parties turning against the officer.
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Originally posted by CMD View Post
I don't get why we can't have both. You have a trained social worker take the lead in de-escalation and the like, and one or more officers as backup for if things go south and force needs to be used.Last edited by Mountain Man; 07-23-2021, 01:01 PM.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by CMD View Post
True, but if we did more to help people with mental health issues, we could prevent a lot of people from getting to this point in the first place.
Moreover, how often have you heard after a violent confrontation with the police where the suspect turned out to have mental health issues (which makes them no less potentially lethal), that they also had refused treatments or was off their medication? More mental health officials won't change that.
Is the solution back to warehousing the mentally ill?
I hope not.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by CMD View Post
I don't get why we can't have both. You have a trained social worker take the lead in de-escalation and the like, and one or more officers as backup for if things go south and force needs to be used.
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OR, like in the case of our own PD, you have ALL peace officers (including the chief) trained in dealing with EDP situations.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Sounds to me like just a way to pretend to get rid of the police by hiding them under a new name.
Similar to how the Texas Rangers part of the Texas Department of Public Safety, right?
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Originally posted by CMD View Post
I don't get why we can't have both. You have a trained social worker take the lead in de-escalation and the like, and one or more officers as backup for if things go south and force needs to be used.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostIs the solution back to warehousing the mentally ill?
I hope not.Last edited by CMD; 07-23-2021, 03:18 PM.
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I agree that there are times when a social worker/mental health professional might be needed more than the police. If the call comes in, the 911 operator should assess the situation and dispatch the proper "team" - if someone is injured, roll an ambulance. If someone is having a breakdown, send a psychiatrist, but if someone is threatening to kill themselves or others and it could turn violent, then it should be handled first by the police and then they can turn it over to either the paramedics or social workers once it is safe for them. That is how things are handled now. The paramedics and fire will not go into a potentially dangerous situation without the police clearing it first.
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