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  • Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post

    This one might be newer, but isn't very likely to cause injury either. For every account you've shown of this vaccine causing harm I've seen similar stories for other vaccines.
    I've never heard of any common vaccine causing injuries of the kind or in the numbers being reported for the China flu vax. In fact, VAERS is showing more reports of negative outcomes for the China flu vax in the past year than for all other vaccines over past two-decades combined. And that's with VAERS only capturing a tiny percentage of overall cases. That's only the short-term negative effects. We have yet to discover what the long-term negative effects will be.

    Taking everything into consideration, I just don't see how "The Jab" is an acceptable risk for most people.
    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
    Than a fool in the eyes of God


    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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    • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

      I've never heard of any common vaccine causing injuries of the kind or in the numbers being reported for the China flu vax. In fact, VAERS is showing more reports of negative outcomes for the China flu vax in the past year than for all other vaccines over past two-decades combined. And that's with VAERS only capturing a tiny percentage of overall cases. That's only the short-term negative effects. We have yet to discover what the long-term negative effects will be.

      Taking everything into consideration, I just don't see how "The Jab" is an acceptable risk for most people.
      Because if you compare the number of people who have had this vaccine to the side effects reported (even if true, which as you know I contest since VAERS is just anectdotal and not verified) are way less proportionately to other vaccines. You keep calling it the "experimental" vaccine, and yet the Pfizer one is not experimental anymore and it and the others have been given to so many people around the world (~3 Billion fully vaccinated) that it has been "tested" more than any other vaccine in history in the field.

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      • Originally posted by Sparko View Post

        Because if you compare the number of people who have had this vaccine to the side effects reported (even if true, which as you know I contest since VAERS is just anectdotal and not verified) are way less proportionately to other vaccines. You keep calling it the "experimental" vaccine, and yet the Pfizer one is not experimental anymore and it and the others have been given to so many people around the world (~3 Billion fully vaccinated) that it has been "tested" more than any other vaccine in history in the field.
        It is still experimental in every meaningful sense of the word. A rushed approval doesn't change that, and the approval notice stipulates that Pfizer continue their own testing for at least the next five years with the caveat that approval could be rescinded at any time.

        Also, indiscriminately rolling out a medication to the general population does not qualify as "testing", especially when there is apparently no universal database for tracking and reporting outcomes (since I guess VAERS doesn't count? ).
        Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
        But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
        Than a fool in the eyes of God


        From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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        • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

          I've never heard of any common vaccine causing injuries of the kind or in the numbers being reported for the China flu vax. In fact, VAERS is showing more reports of negative outcomes for the China flu vax in the past year than for all other vaccines over past two-decades combined. And that's with VAERS only capturing a tiny percentage of overall cases. That's only the short-term negative effects. We have yet to discover what the long-term negative effects will be.

          Taking everything into consideration, I just don't see how "The Jab" is an acceptable risk for most people.
          I can understand why you hold the position you do. Especially with all of the mixed messages we've gotten over all of this. To me it is still far less of a risk than getting covid itself, and that is even regardless of whether you are healthy.

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          • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

            But you'll notice the Labor Department is not extending this policy to other vaccines.
            There is already a federal program for people injured by vaccines in general. People injured by covid vaccines are excluded for some reason.
            "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

            There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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            • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

              I've never heard of any common vaccine causing injuries of the kind or in the numbers being reported for the China flu vax. In fact, VAERS is showing more reports of negative outcomes for the China flu vax in the past year than for all other vaccines over past two-decades combined. And that's with VAERS only capturing a tiny percentage of overall cases. That's only the short-term negative effects. We have yet to discover what the long-term negative effects will be.

              Taking everything into consideration, I just don't see how "The Jab" is an acceptable risk for most people.
              Vaers isn't capturing only a small percentage of overall cases. Most people had no idea vaers even existed until covid and if you actually read the vaers page (which nobody does) healthcare providers are required to submit any issues after taking the vaccine (whether related to the vaccine or not). To say nothing of the fact that anybody can submit anything to vaers. Vaers exist to alert government officials of potential issues that they are then supposed to investigate. The data on its own isn't worth anything.
              "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

              There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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              • Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post

                I can understand why you hold the position you do. Especially with all of the mixed messages we've gotten over all of this. To me it is still far less of a risk than getting covid itself, and that is even regardless of whether you are healthy.
                The problem is that there are still too many unknowns (as if the knowns weren't bad enough), too many unanswered questions, too many unasked questions. Heck, we don't even know how many jabs it's going to take to be "fully vaccinated". Right now the US is looking at three. I think Israel is up to five. Where will it end? Nobody knows.

                Make the vaccine available to the most vulnerable, certainly, but why this rush to indiscriminately vaccinate everybody? It feels like an overeager salesman pushing you to make a decision before you've had time to think about it. That's when you should be keeping an extra tight hold on your wallet and looking for the catch.
                Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                Than a fool in the eyes of God


                From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

                  I've never heard of any common vaccine causing injuries of the kind or in the numbers being reported for the China flu vax. In fact, VAERS is showing more reports of negative outcomes for the China flu vax in the past year than for all other vaccines over past two-decades combined. And that's with VAERS only capturing a tiny percentage of overall cases. That's only the short-term negative effects. We have yet to discover what the long-term negative effects will be.

                  Taking everything into consideration, I just don't see how "The Jab" is an acceptable risk for most people.
                  Eudravigilance, which is similar to VAERS but for the EU, has seen similarly abnormally high reports of injuries and deaths in close correlation with the vaccines.

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                  • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

                    The problem is that there are still too many unknowns (as if the knowns weren't bad enough), too many unanswered questions, too many unasked questions. Heck, we don't even know how many jabs it's going to take to be "fully vaccinated". Right now the US is looking at three. I think Israel is up to five. Where will it end? Nobody knows.

                    Make the vaccine available to the most vulnerable, certainly, but why this rush to indiscriminately vaccinate everybody? It feels like an overeager salesman pushing you to make a decision before you've had time to think about it. That's when you should be keeping an extra tight hold on your wallet and looking for the catch.
                    The ever moving goalpost with the ever-changing data and the relentless push to get EVERYONE jabbed you'd think would raise some hesitancy to anyone with a lick of common sense.

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                    • Originally posted by seanD View Post

                      The ever moving goalpost with the ever-changing data and the relentless push to get EVERYONE jabbed you'd think would raise some hesitancy to anyone with a lick of common sense.
                      It's been almost a year and neither you nor Mountain Man bothered to learn how vaccines or the immune system works. As in not even the most absolute basics. So your "hesitancy" is raised by a combination of ignorance and arrogance. You don't know anything about the subject and you don't think you should learn anything about the subject. Your instinct is enough because you are the greatest and practically have a second sight about things.

                      BTW most normal people need only original number of shots (1 or 2 depending on vaccine). If you're old, immunocompromised or a new strain that isn't covered well by the vaccines shows up you might need more. Depending on the state of your immune system, no amount of shots could help (IE: colin powell). If Biden or some other politician also need to pad their numbers you might also need more. If you live in NZ/Australia and are ruled by psychopathic fascists you might need 7-8 shots, just in case someone somewhere might die of this particular virus.
                      "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

                      There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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                      • Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post

                        It's been almost a year and neither you nor Mountain Man bothered to learn how vaccines or the immune system works. As in not even the most absolute basics. So your "hesitancy" is raised by a combination of ignorance and arrogance. You don't know anything about the subject and you don't think you should learn anything about the subject. Your instinct is enough because you are the greatest and practically have a second sight about things.

                        BTW most normal people need only original number of shots (1 or 2 depending on vaccine). If you're old, immunocompromised or a new strain that isn't covered well by the vaccines shows up you might need more. Depending on the state of your immune system, no amount of shots could help (IE: colin powell). If Biden or some other politician also need to pad their numbers you might also need more. If you live in NZ/Australia and are ruled by psychopathic fascists you might need 7-8 shots, just in case someone somewhere might die of this particular virus.
                        Personally, I don't want it because I've already had covid, and because I'm exceptionally healthy and physically fit. I never have been against others taking the jab if they want, but I oppose jab mandates. Biden has already mandated the jab in a lot of sectors of society and there's no reason to think he won't push it further.

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                        • Originally posted by seanD View Post

                          Personally, I don't want it because I've already had covid, and because I'm exceptionally healthy and physically fit. I never have been against others taking the jab if they want, but I oppose jab mandates. Biden has already mandated the jab in a lot of sectors of society and there's no reason to think he won't push it further.
                          Of course he did.
                          And because so many on the right spread complete nonsense about it, it's become an excellent way to purge people on the right from every mainstream institution of worth since every conservative is now scared of it. An even bigger own goal than the qanon nonsense from before.

                          I also had covid already and don't want to take the vaccine (pointless) but I refuse to be purged like a moron. Barring something major happening I'm leaving Canada next year anyway. I was originally gonna move to the US but there's no smart resistance left in the US, just idiots outplayed and outmaneuvered at every level. So I'm writing North America off as cursed and going back to East Europe.
                          "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

                          There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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                          • Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post

                            Of course he did.
                            And because so many on the right spread complete nonsense about it, it's become an excellent way to purge people on the right from every mainstream institution of worth since every conservative is now scared of it. An even bigger own goal than the qanon nonsense from before.

                            I also had covid already and don't want to take the vaccine (pointless) but I refuse to be purged like a moron. Barring something major happening I'm leaving Canada next year anyway. I was originally gonna move to the US but there's no smart resistance left in the US, just idiots outplayed and outmaneuvered at every level. So I'm writing North America off as cursed and going back to East Europe.
                            You and oxmixmudd would be in good company. He also blames conservatives, especially Christians, for the spread of misinformation and the ills of the world.

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                            • Originally posted by seanD View Post

                              You and oxmixmudd would be in good company. He also blames conservatives, especially Christians, for the spread of misinformation and the ills of the world.
                              I have nothing in common with some left wing loon (other than that you don't like what we have to say). This pandemic should have been a Godsent opportunity to turn the tables on the globalist left. Instead they increased their control thanks to moronic bumbling by people like you. That's the truth. It has nothing to do with "the ills of the world" or whatever other victimhood nonsense you want to claim. You got bamboozled, outplayed, beat, and now get to have a front row seat at the fall of your civilization. Enjoy.

                              PS: if you're still young and without a wife/kids leave north america and leave your conspiratorial nonsense behind when you go.
                              "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

                              There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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                              • Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
                                If you live in NZ/Australia and are ruled by psychopathic fascists you might need 7-8 shots, just in case someone somewhere might die of this particular virus.
                                I wish!

                                I would like to get more shots, but NZ/Aus only allow 2 unless immunocompromised.
                                "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                                "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                                "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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