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  • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

    And here's an article explaining how the vaccine does cause the variants:

    Luc Montagnier, a French virologist and recipient of the 2008 Nobel Prize in Medicine for his discovery of the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV), has recently exposed the dangers of the COVID-19 vaccines. Montagnier discussed the issue in an interview with Pierre Barnérias of Hold-Up Media earlier this month, which was exclusively translated from French into English for RAIR Foundation USA.

    The vaccines don’t stop the virus, argues the prominent virologist, they do the opposite — they “feed the virus,” and facilitate its development into stronger and more transmittable variants. These new virus variants will be more resistant to vaccination and may cause more health implications than their “original” versions.

    During the interview, professor Montagnier referred to the vaccine program for the coronavirus as an “unacceptable mistake.” Mass vaccinations are a “scientific error as well as a medical error,” he said. “The history books will show that, because it is the vaccination that is creating the variants.” Montagnier explained that “there are antibodies, created by the vaccine,” forcing the virus to “find another solution” or die. This is where the variants are created. It is the variants that “are a production and result from the vaccination.”

    Montagnier details that the mutation and strengthening of the virus occurs owing to the phenomenon known as Antibody Dependent Enhancement (ADE). ADE is a mechanism that increases the ability of a virus to enter cells and cause a worsening of the disease. ADE occurs when the antibodies generated during an immune response recognize and bind to a pathogen, but they are unable to prevent infection. Instead, these antibodies act as a “Trojan horse,” allowing the pathogen to get into cells and exacerbate the immune response.

    https://www.australiannationalreview...he-vaxination/

    So once again, credible sources contradicting each other. Who is right, and who is wrong? We don't know, which is why we need to reign everything back and do more research. Surely every reasonable person will agree with that.
    IT's not either/or. An environment where higher transmissibility is required will necessarily favor mutations that increase transmissibility - if such mutations occur AND if the virus exists long enough to 'find them'.

    It's the same problem we have with anti-biotics.

    And the SAME PROBLEM OCCURS AS PEOPLE DEVELOP NATURAL IMMUNITY (just want to make sure you get that)


    The solution however is not to stop using the vaccines, but to get enough people vaccinated the virus doesn't have time to spread and find mutations that allow it to bypass the vaccines or NATURALLY DERIVED ANTIBODIES.

    This has been talked about ad infinitum as over and over again it is stressed that we must ALL be vaccinated and as soon as possible.

    The problem MM is people that are feeding and believing the garbage that is circulating about this and that is prolonging the epidemic and costing people their lives.


    Jim
    My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

    If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

    This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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    • Originally posted by Stoic View Post

      I think that's just too much to hope for.
      I wonder what it means, or what the future holds, when you have governors issuing mandates that directly contradict federal mandates. Kind of sounds like a civil war, only without guns.

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      • Originally posted by seanD View Post

        I wonder what it means, or what the future holds, when you have governors issuing mandates that directly contradict federal mandates. Kind of sounds like a civil war, only without guns.
        Yep.

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        • Originally posted by Stoic View Post
          I just read the title and moved on. I can't reason with someone infected with Trump derangement. Dude's been out of office for almost a year now.
          Last edited by seanD; 10-12-2021, 05:50 PM.

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          • Originally posted by seanD View Post

            I read the article and just moved on. I can't reason with someone infected with Trump derangement. Dude's been out of office for almost a year now.
            Yeah, a lot of Republicans prefer to pretend that he isn't the major power in the Republican party now.

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            • Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
              And the SAME PROBLEM OCCURS AS PEOPLE DEVELOP NATURAL IMMUNITY (just want to make sure you get that)
              Except we know that natural immunity is vastly superior to the junk Pfizer cooked up in its lab.
              Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
              But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
              Than a fool in the eyes of God


              From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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              • Originally posted by Stoic View Post

                Yeah, a lot of Republicans prefer to pretend that he isn't the major power in the Republican party now.
                Nah, it's just that a lot of us don't waste our time subscribing to goofy Trump derangement theories. The more rational theory is that Biden and his leftist base is so bad and so totalitarian (evident by his plummeting approval rating) that he's pushing folks to take these drastic opposing actions.

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                • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                  Is there something wrong with you? Fines are not enforced 'at gunpoint'. You seem to try to take everything to extremes, it seems a constant issue with your viewpoints. Things aren't a matter of one extreme or another, there can be middle options.
                  He's making the argument that while it is never initially at the point of the gun, resist sufficiently and it will be.

                  I'm always still in trouble again

                  "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                  "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                  "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                  • Originally posted by Stoic View Post
                    Lol, Salon peddling conspiracy theories again?

                    And gotta love the insanity of folks in one breath railing against voter ID laws because they are racist, and in the next breath demanding that people show proof of vaccination in order to do ANYTHING.

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                    • Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post

                      Lol, Salon peddling conspiracy theories again?

                      And gotta love the insanity of folks in one breath railing against voter ID laws because they are racist, and in the next breath demanding that people show proof of vaccination in order to do ANYTHING.
                      I thought he was joking at first. The Trump derangement conspiracy theory is about as bad as the Qanon theory.

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                      • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                        He's making the argument that while it is never initially at the point of the gun, resist sufficiently and it will be.
                        And he was wrong.

                        As I pointed out, a likely outcome of a refusal to pay a fine be would be a court instructing a bank to deduct it from your bank account. So even his hypothetical failed.
                        "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                        "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                        "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                        • Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post

                          IT's not either/or. An environment where higher transmissibility is required will necessarily favor mutations that increase transmissibility - if such mutations occur AND if the virus exists long enough to 'find them'.

                          It's the same problem we have with anti-biotics.

                          And the SAME PROBLEM OCCURS AS PEOPLE DEVELOP NATURAL IMMUNITY (just want to make sure you get that)


                          The solution however is not to stop using the vaccines, but to get enough people vaccinated the virus doesn't have time to spread and find mutations that allow it to bypass the vaccines or NATURALLY DERIVED ANTIBODIES.

                          This has been talked about ad infinitum as over and over again it is stressed that we must ALL be vaccinated and as soon as possible.

                          The problem MM is people that are feeding and believing the garbage that is circulating about this and that is prolonging the epidemic and costing people their lives.


                          Jim
                          For the sarcastically impaired the following is said in jest

                          Oh, come on. It's entirely plausible that the Delta variant is killing off unvaccinated people so quickly that they don't have a chance to spread it, and that the only reason it spreads is that vaccination keeps vaccinated people alive while allowing them to infect others.

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                          • Originally posted by seanD View Post
                            Texas Governor Issues Executive Order Banning Vaccine Mandates By Any Entity



                            I fear that Abbott, DeSantis, and Rand Paul, among others, are going to be the first ones dragged to the gulags if this fight is lost.
                            Hopefully before it gets to that point, there will be too little of the world left to bother with gulags.
                            Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.

                            Beige Federalist.

                            Nationalist Christian.

                            "Everybody is somebody's heretic."

                            Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.

                            Proud member of the this space left blank community.

                            Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.

                            Justice for Ashli Babbitt!

                            Justice for Matthew Perna!

                            Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!

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                            • Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post
                              In NY, the governor put in a mandate that all Health Care workers be vaccinated with only a medical exemption. A lawsuit was filed to force the mandate to allow religious exemptions.

                              Today the court said the mandate must have an exemption for sincerely held religious beliefs. The court's argument was if you can have reasonable accommodation for medical reasons, you have to allow the same accommodation for religious reasons. Of course, this is being appealed.

                              Left undefined: how does someone determine "sincerely held religious beliefs?"

                              Religious vaccine exemption stays for NY health care workers | WHEC.com
                              Much as I favor exemptions, a "religious" one is going to be tricky. In this case, the main justification would be the fetal tissue testing, and in that case the applicant could reasonably be required to solemnly affirm he or she would not use any product in which fetal tissue figured in the manufacturing or testing processes -- including such things as aspirin, paracetamol, and Tums.
                              Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.

                              Beige Federalist.

                              Nationalist Christian.

                              "Everybody is somebody's heretic."

                              Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.

                              Proud member of the this space left blank community.

                              Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.

                              Justice for Ashli Babbitt!

                              Justice for Matthew Perna!

                              Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!

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                              • Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post

                                Lol, Salon peddling conspiracy theories again?

                                And gotta love the insanity of folks in one breath railing against voter ID laws because they are racist, and in the next breath demanding that people show proof of vaccination in order to do ANYTHING.
                                Funny how the left/MSM falls all over themselves complying to BLM's demands whenever they utter the magic phrase: THAT'S RACIST! But are determinedly ignoring it when they call the vaxx mandate and requiring proof of vaccination as being racist.

                                I'm always still in trouble again

                                "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                                "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                                "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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