Delta variant and all future global variant surges (all are free post)

[seanD]

Out of the thousands of studies published about covid and vaccines, why would any government go out of its way to draw attention to this one particular random study that doesn't show anything much?

One possibility is that this information is going to come out soon anyway. As you may recall (because you were part of the discussions when it was posted here), FDA tried to get a timeline of 75 years to allow Pfizer to release the data of their test studies, which a judge recently shot down. So if this information is about to be revealed, it would serve government's interest to get ahead of it in order to preserve their credibility.

[alaskazimm]

One possibility is that this information is going to come out soon anyway. As you may recall (because you were part of the discussions when it was posted here), FDA tried to get a timeline of 75 years to allow Pfizer to release the data of their test studies, which a judge recently shot down. So if this information is about to be revealed, it would serve government's interest to get ahead of it in order to preserve their credibility.

You say that as if they have any left

[Mountain Man]

If there are any other significant conclusions to be drawn from the study, feel free to point them out.

For one thing, the study showed that the chances of suffering a negative outcome from the vaccines is alarmingly significant compared to a placebo to the point that the study author thinks the vaccines should be recalled in the interest of public safety.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...64410X22010283

[Starlight]

MM, that paper calls for a harm / benefit analysis to be conducted. It doesn't, as far as I can see, call for vaccines to be recalled.

[Mountain Man]

MM, that paper calls for a harm / benefit analysis to be conducted. It doesn't, as far as I can see, call for vaccines to be recalled.

He posted a link to the study on Twitter, and in his Twitter post said that he believed the results of the study showed that the vaccines represented a significant public safety risk and should be pulled from the market pending further study. I don't have a link to his Twitter post at the moment.

[Stoic]

For one thing, the study showed that the chances of suffering a negative outcome from the vaccines is alarmingly significant compared to a placebo to the point that the study author thinks the vaccines should be recalled in the interest of public safety.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...64410X22010283

Those are the author's opinions, not conclusions from the study.

[seanD]

Leana Wen, whom the covid cult viciously turned on for her opposition to mask mandates, confirms the obvious, that there were/are likely covid OVERCOUNTS...

Prominent CNN Doctor Concedes US Has Been ‘Overcounting’ COVID-19 Deaths

(bold emphasis mine)

A doctor who appeared prominently in the media during the pandemic acknowledged this week the United States is “overcounting” COVID-19 deaths and stressed the need for “transparent reporting” on the real numbers.

Leana Wen, a former Planned Parenthood director who now works for CNN and the Washington Post, told the channel that natural immunity and vaccinations have reduced severe COVID-19 cases since the start of the pandemic.

“Hospitals are still routinely testing everyone who’s getting admitted for COVID,” Wen, also a former director of the Baltimore City Health Department, said in response to a question about whether her statements could be “fodder for conspiracy theorists.”

“We’re seeing many people who are hospitalized with COVID, and I think it’s important to separate out who is being hospitalized because of it,” Wen added. “Because there are a lot of people who are still very concerned about their risk from COVID and we need to give them the most accurate data possible so that they can better gauge their risks. There are people still not resuming indoor dining or going to the gym or socializing. We have to give them the most accurate reporting as possible.”

In a Washington Post opinion piece, Wen noted that current Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) data show that about 400 people are dying from the virus every day. She then asked a question that many others have asked over the past three years: “But are these Americans dying from COVID or with COVID?”

“Two infectious-disease experts I spoke with believe that the number of deaths attributed to COVID is far greater than the actual number of people dying from COVID,” she wrote. “Robin Dretler, an attending physician at Emory Decatur Hospital and the former president of Georgia’s chapter of Infectious Diseases Society of America, estimates that at his hospital, 90 percent of patients diagnosed with COVID are actually in the hospital for some other illness.”

Some patients have several concurrent infections, not just COVID-19.

“People who have very low white blood cell counts from chemotherapy might be admitted because of bacterial pneumonia or foot gangrene,” Dretler was quoted as saying. “They may also have COVID, but COVID is not the main reason why they’re so sick.”

‘With COVID’?

But if those patients die, the doctor said that COVID-19 may get added to their death certificates—meaning, they’re counted as a COVID-19 death. That’s despite COVID-19 not being the primary factor that caused the deaths.

Notably, several Northern California counties in mid-2021 changed how they counted COVID-19 deaths. In one county, the death figure dropped by 22 percent, while in another, 400 fewer deaths were reported following the changes.

No kidding.

So if the covid cult accused Wen of being a racist and eugenicist for opposing mask mandates, I can only imagine what they'll do to her now.

[shunyadragon]

Leana Wen, whom the covid cult viciously turned on for her opposition to mask mandates, confirms the obvious, that there were/are likely covid OVERCOUNTS...

Prominent CNN Doctor Concedes US Has Been ‘Overcounting’ COVID-19 Deaths

(bold emphasis mine)

A doctor who appeared prominently in the media during the pandemic acknowledged this week the United States is “overcounting” COVID-19 deaths and stressed the need for “transparent reporting” on the real numbers.

Leana Wen, a former Planned Parenthood director who now works for CNN and the Washington Post, told the channel that natural immunity and vaccinations have reduced severe COVID-19 cases since the start of the pandemic.

“Hospitals are still routinely testing everyone who’s getting admitted for COVID,” Wen, also a former director of the Baltimore City Health Department, said in response to a question about whether her statements could be “fodder for conspiracy theorists.”

“We’re seeing many people who are hospitalized with COVID, and I think it’s important to separate out who is being hospitalized because of it,” Wen added. “Because there are a lot of people who are still very concerned about their risk from COVID and we need to give them the most accurate data possible so that they can better gauge their risks. There are people still not resuming indoor dining or going to the gym or socializing. We have to give them the most accurate reporting as possible.”

In a Washington Post opinion piece, Wen noted that current Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) data show that about 400 people are dying from the virus every day. She then asked a question that many others have asked over the past three years: “But are these Americans dying from COVID or with COVID?”

“Two infectious-disease experts I spoke with believe that the number of deaths attributed to COVID is far greater than the actual number of people dying from COVID,” she wrote. “Robin Dretler, an attending physician at Emory Decatur Hospital and the former president of Georgia’s chapter of Infectious Diseases Society of America, estimates that at his hospital, 90 percent of patients diagnosed with COVID are actually in the hospital for some other illness.”

Some patients have several concurrent infections, not just COVID-19.

“People who have very low white blood cell counts from chemotherapy might be admitted because of bacterial pneumonia or foot gangrene,” Dretler was quoted as saying. “They may also have COVID, but COVID is not the main reason why they’re so sick.”

‘With COVID’?

But if those patients die, the doctor said that COVID-19 may get added to their death certificates—meaning, they’re counted as a COVID-19 death. That’s despite COVID-19 not being the primary factor that caused the deaths.

Notably, several Northern California counties in mid-2021 changed how they counted COVID-19 deaths. In one county, the death figure dropped by 22 percent, while in another, 400 fewer deaths were reported following the changes.

No kidding.

So if the covid cult accused Wen of being a racist and eugenicist for opposing mask mandates, I can only imagine what they'll do to her now.

Carefull citing this article selectively and interpreting it to justify your agenda. It is a long term bogus conspiracy that does not represent science of Covid-19. This reference is misleading and reinforces old phony conspiracy news and does not reflect the actual documented figures of Covid-19 fatalities over the historyof the pandemic.

The foolish statement 'Some patients have several concurrent infections, not just COVID-19..' does not detract from the actual cause of the illness and death as Covid-19. Actually it is many if not most people who died and suffered from severe illness had concurrent infections. This is also the case of severe illness and deaths due to flu.

Numerous references have been provided that have documented that the increase in fatalities and severe illness during the pandemic.

Yes figures are adjusted over time to actually reflect a better account of the numner of deaths due to Covid-19, and yes in some cases Covid-19 contributed to the death, but it may be difficult in extreme cases which actually caused the death.

[seanD]

Carefull citing this article selectively and interpreting it to justify your agenda. It is a long term bogus conspiracy that does not represent science of Covid-19. This reference is misleading and reinforces old phony conspiracy news and does not reflect the actual documented figures of Covid-19 fatalities over the historyof the pandemic.

The foolish statement 'Some patients have several concurrent infections, not just COVID-19..' does not detract from the actual cause of the illness and death as Covid-19. Actually it is many if not most people who died and suffered from severe illness had concurrent infections. This is also the case of severe illness and deaths due to flu.

Numerous references have been provided that have documented that the increase in fatalities and severe illness during the pandemic.

Yes figures are adjusted over time to actually reflect a better account of the numner of deaths due to Covid-19, and yes in some cases Covid-19 contributed to the death, but it may be difficult in extreme cases which actually caused the death.

Some figures have been "adjusted" so far (3 years later), but that's the problem -- only a tiny percentage have been adjusted, when we're talking thousands of records in hospitals across the country, thus we don't have an accurate OVERCOUNT total.

[Starlight]

Apparently, the billionaires at Davos are taking Covid seriously and taking all the precautions. They're using air-filters, masks, RAT tests, and possibly even UV lights to try and kill the virus in the air. To the extent that they know stuff the average person doesn't, it seems that what they know is that covid is bad and they don't want to catch it.

[seanD]

Apparently, the billionaires at Davos are taking Covid seriously and taking all the precautions. They're using air-filters, masks, RAT tests, and possibly even UV lights to try and kill the virus in the air. To the extent that they know stuff the average person doesn't, it seems that what they know is that covid is bad and they don't want to catch it.

The folks on stage aren’t sporting masks (mostly), so unless you looked at the official Davos Health & Safety protocol, you wouldn’t be aware that their on-site drivers are required to wear them.

Why would a community of folks who actually believe they're a select elite want to catch a filthy virus from the plebs?

[Stoic]

Leana Wen, whom the covid cult viciously turned on for her opposition to mask mandates, confirms the obvious, that there were/are likely covid OVERCOUNTS...

Prominent CNN Doctor Concedes US Has Been ‘Overcounting’ COVID-19 Deaths

(bold emphasis mine)

A doctor who appeared prominently in the media during the pandemic acknowledged this week the United States is “overcounting” COVID-19 deaths and stressed the need for “transparent reporting” on the real numbers.

Leana Wen, a former Planned Parenthood director who now works for CNN and the Washington Post, told the channel that natural immunity and vaccinations have reduced severe COVID-19 cases since the start of the pandemic.

“Hospitals are still routinely testing everyone who’s getting admitted for COVID,” Wen, also a former director of the Baltimore City Health Department, said in response to a question about whether her statements could be “fodder for conspiracy theorists.”

“We’re seeing many people who are hospitalized with COVID, and I think it’s important to separate out who is being hospitalized because of it,” Wen added. “Because there are a lot of people who are still very concerned about their risk from COVID and we need to give them the most accurate data possible so that they can better gauge their risks. There are people still not resuming indoor dining or going to the gym or socializing. We have to give them the most accurate reporting as possible.”

In a Washington Post opinion piece, Wen noted that current Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) data show that about 400 people are dying from the virus every day. She then asked a question that many others have asked over the past three years: “But are these Americans dying from COVID or with COVID?”

“Two infectious-disease experts I spoke with believe that the number of deaths attributed to COVID is far greater than the actual number of people dying from COVID,” she wrote. “Robin Dretler, an attending physician at Emory Decatur Hospital and the former president of Georgia’s chapter of Infectious Diseases Society of America, estimates that at his hospital, 90 percent of patients diagnosed with COVID are actually in the hospital for some other illness.”

Some patients have several concurrent infections, not just COVID-19.

“People who have very low white blood cell counts from chemotherapy might be admitted because of bacterial pneumonia or foot gangrene,” Dretler was quoted as saying. “They may also have COVID, but COVID is not the main reason why they’re so sick.”

‘With COVID’?

But if those patients die, the doctor said that COVID-19 may get added to their death certificates—meaning, they’re counted as a COVID-19 death. That’s despite COVID-19 not being the primary factor that caused the deaths.

Notably, several Northern California counties in mid-2021 changed how they counted COVID-19 deaths. In one county, the death figure dropped by 22 percent, while in another, 400 fewer deaths were reported following the changes.

No kidding.

So if the covid cult accused Wen of being a racist and eugenicist for opposing mask mandates, I can only imagine what they'll do to her now.

It could be that hospitalizations are being overcounted. But deaths are being tracked by death certificate, which means that in the professional opinion of the doctor filling out the death certificate, covid-19 was either the underlying cause (90%) or a contributing cause (10%).

I'm not sure it's possible to improve on that, though estimates of excess deaths suggest that a lot of covid-19 deaths have not been counted.

[seanD]

It could be that hospitalizations are being overcounted. But deaths are being tracked by death certificate, which means that in the professional opinion of the doctor filling out the death certificate, covid-19 was either the underlying cause (90%) or a contributing cause (10%).

I'm not sure it's possible to improve on that, though estimates of excess deaths suggest that a lot of covid-19 deaths have not been counted.

Or it could be that in many cases where that line was blurred, money from the Cares Act gave medical staff the extra incentive push towards dying "from covid." You know, not conspiracy theory, human nature and all. Wen seems to a least be insinuating that, otherwise why would she be suspicious about the count?

Excess deaths are still occurring, which suggests the deaths are caused by folks still afraid to go to hospitals for treatment of other causes today much like they were two years ago, in fact, likely more so two years ago when the hysteria was at the highest peak.

[Stoic]

Or it could be that in many cases where that line was blurred, money from the Cares Act gave medical staff the extra incentive push towards dying "from covid." You know, not conspiracy theory, human nature and all. Wen seems to a least be insinuating that, otherwise why would she be suspicious about the count?

They don't get any more money from the Cares Act by putting covid-19 down as a cause of death. And even if they did, they could put it down as a contributing cause, rather than the underlying cause. But only 10% of the deaths caused by covid-19 have it listed as a contributing cause.

Excess deaths are still occurring, which suggests the deaths are caused by folks still afraid to go to hospitals for treatment of other causes today much like they were two years ago, in fact, likely more so two years ago when the hysteria was at the highest peak.

Or excess deaths are occurring because covid-19 doesn't just attack the lungs, and doctors are leery of putting down covid-19 as a contributing cause of heart attack, stroke, etc., just because the patient tests positive.

[seanD]

They don't get any more money from the Cares Act by putting covid-19 down as a cause of death. And even if they did, they could put it down as a contributing cause, rather than the underlying cause. But only 10% of the deaths caused by covid-19 have it listed as a contributing cause.

Your "fact-checker' apparently contradicted itself...

“They do get a bump in payment from Medicare if a patient has a diagnosis of COVID-19 listed on the bill,” the AHA spokesperson explained.

They are not over-reporting COVID-19 cases. And, they are not making money on treating COVID-19,” Pollack wrote.

Or excess deaths are occurring because covid-19 doesn't just attack the lungs, and doctors are leery of putting down covid-19 as a contributing cause of heart attack, stroke, etc., just because the patient tests positive.