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    I was wondering if there is anyone who thinks the CDC is lying to us about COVID, who doesn’t also think the EPA is lying to us about climate change.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/science/envi...s-say-rcna1297

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    Originally posted by Backup View Post
    I was wondering if there is anyone who thinks the CDC is lying to us about COVID, who doesn’t also think the EPA is lying to us about climate change.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/science/envi...s-say-rcna1297
    Oh, climate is changing, that's for sure. But it always is. Humans have certainly had some influence on the speed of change (but then they also have for a long time - Genghis Khan appears to have cooled the planet just by his conquests, for example, and Native Americans and their practices wrt semi-controlled burns, etc., changed the climate). I'm sure there are a few out there that don't accept the climate is changing and that humans play some role. But the main sticking point is how much they do play. And when people like me don't accept the more hysterical doomsday predictions put forth by the catastrophists, we get called 'climate denialists/deniers' for daring to question the CAGW talking points.

    As to the CDC, they've been either lying, or making things up as they go. They're certainly lying by omission by ignoring natural immunity to COVID (and IIRC have both gotten caught, and called out on it by Thomas Massie and claimed they would change their site and never did).

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      If what the policy advisers are saying isn't supported by the science (and quite a lot of it isn't), then they are either lying, or are being willfully ignorant.
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      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
      Than a fool in the eyes of God


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      • #4
        Originally posted by Backup View Post
        I was wondering if there is anyone who thinks the CDC is lying to us about COVID, who doesn’t also think the EPA is lying to us about climate change.

        https://www.nbcnews.com/science/envi...s-say-rcna1297
        To be perfectly honest, I had no clear idea of the machinations of the politics of science and funding. Thanks to the exposure and details of the whole Fauci/Daszak/Shi Zhengli/wuhan lab/email affair, I now realize just how easy it would be to perpetuate a scientific lie. It's much easier than I thought prior to all that information. It requires no such imaginary enormous cabal other than a few powerful and influential head honchos at the top, especially the ones in control of the money.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post

          Oh, climate is changing, that's for sure. But it always is. Humans have certainly had some influence on the speed of change (but then they also have for a long time - Genghis Khan appears to have cooled the planet just by his conquests, for example, and Native Americans and their practices wrt semi-controlled burns, etc., changed the climate). I'm sure there are a few out there that don't accept the climate is changing and that humans play some role. But the main sticking point is how much they do play. And when people like me don't accept the more hysterical doomsday predictions put forth by the catastrophists, we get called 'climate denialists/deniers' for daring to question the CAGW talking points.

          As to the CDC, they've been either lying, or making things up as they go. They're certainly lying by omission by ignoring natural immunity to COVID (and IIRC have both gotten caught, and called out on it by Thomas Massie and claimed they would change their site and never did).
          You did everything you could to dance around the question. That’s why I phrased it the way I did.

          Do you think the EPA is lying about climate change?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Backup View Post

            You did everything you could to dance around the question. That’s why I phrased it the way I did.

            Do you think the EPA is lying about climate change?
            I don't know, are they pushing the catastrophist view?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Backup View Post
              I was wondering if there is anyone who thinks the CDC is lying to us about COVID, who doesn’t also think the EPA is lying to us about climate change.

              https://www.nbcnews.com/science/envi...s-say-rcna1297
              They're both political animals. So yeah, I'm sure they are telling some lies and/or exaggerating. I'd be surprised if they weren't.

              I'm not so trusting.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Backup View Post
                I was wondering if there is anyone who thinks the CDC is lying to us about COVID, who doesn’t also think the EPA is lying to us about climate change.

                https://www.nbcnews.com/science/envi...s-say-rcna1297
                I hope not.

                I've long been skeptical of the EPA and FDA. My skepticism of the CDC is new.

                Similarly, I've long been skeptical of the NSA and CIA. My skepticism of the FBI is relatively new.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post

                  I hope not.

                  I've long been skeptical of the EPA and FDA. My skepticism of the CDC is new.

                  Similarly, I've long been skeptical of the NSA and CIA. My skepticism of the FBI is relatively new.
                  What I’m curious about is if all COVID deniers are climate deniers (obviously not “all,” but’s virtually all)

                  The science behind climate change is overwhelming and accepted by every scientific organization on the planet, of every political persuasion. Same with COVID.

                  Climate deniers are few and have an obvious political agenda. Seems the same with COVID deniers. I suspect they are the same people.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Backup View Post

                    What I’m curious about is if all COVID deniers are climate deniers (obviously not “all,” but’s virtually all)

                    The science behind climate change is overwhelming and accepted by every scientific organization on the planet, of every political persuasion. Same with COVID.

                    Climate deniers are few and have an obvious political agenda. Seems the same with COVID deniers. I suspect they are the same people.
                    Define "climate deniers" please.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Backup View Post

                      You did everything you could to dance around the question. That’s why I phrased it the way I did.

                      Do you think the EPA is lying about climate change?
                      It's easy to tell - if their lips are moving....
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Ronson View Post

                        Define "climate deniers" please.
                        You know, those weirdoes that don't believe in seasons.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Backup View Post

                          What I’m curious about is if all COVID deniers are climate deniers (obviously not “all,” but’s virtually all)

                          The science behind climate change is overwhelming and accepted by every scientific organization on the planet, of every political persuasion. Same with COVID.

                          Climate deniers are few and have an obvious political agenda. Seems the same with COVID deniers. I suspect they are the same people.
                          And all those organizations don't have an agenda? Like, I dunno, getting billions in research money?

                          Seriously, there's a reason that attacking the messenger is fallacious. Every human being on the planet has the capacity to do good or evil - sticking letters after their names doesn't change human nature. It's why the best way to determine the truth is to look at the facts. With science, read the methodology section - if it's crap, so's the paper. With government, read the funding (this is also a good way to cure insomnia) - anywhere there's a lot of money flowing only one way, there's probably a problem.

                          Cases of any sort live or die on their merits - and when the proponent spends most of his time calling the opponent names like 'denier', you can bet there's a problem with his case. Either it's a bad case, or he's bad at debating it. I've seen guys lose debates when they had all the worthwhile evidence on their side - happens more often than you'd think. Being a crappy defender doesn't negate the case proper - another reason to look at the case and not the messenger.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post

                            I hope not.

                            I've long been skeptical of the EPA and FDA. My skepticism of the CDC is new.

                            Similarly, I've long been skeptical of the NSA and CIA. My skepticism of the FBI is relatively new.
                            I'm mostly the other way around - but familiarity breeds contempt and I had a LOT more direct experience with the CDC.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Ronson View Post

                              Define "climate deniers" please.
                              More accurately, those that deny either that the climate is warming or that the primary cause is human generated greenhouse gas emissions.
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                              This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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