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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
I said something very similar another thread: either give the man equal say in whether or not the unborn child is killed, or remove from him any obligation to care for the child if the woman decides to give birth.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostSperm donors should be held accountable for the results of their intercourse. Why should the woman have to bear all of the cost?
Personally, I believe that killing the child should never be an option, and the obligation for raising him should fall on both parents equally.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
This is simply an argument based on the premises of pro-abortion liberals. If it is 100% the woman's decision whether the baby lives or dies then it should be 100% her obligation to care for the child if she decides he is to live.
Personally, I believe that killing the child should never be an option, and the obligation for raising him should fall on both parents equally.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Post
But if they actually implemented something like that it would just encourage women to have the abortion so they would not be burdened with the cost of raising a child without child support from the father.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
In general, it comes down to: Her Body, Her Choice, Her Responsibility.
It means men will no longer be forced into indentured servitude for 18 years based on the decision of another that he has no say in. He'll have the same right to not be forced into a responsibility he does not want as a woman.
If the woman has the choice to abort and decides against it, then we can have a discussion about the man's responsibility.
Conservatives are always telling women that if they don't want to have babies they should not have sex. How about telling men the same thing.
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Originally posted by kccd View Post
If the woman has no say and no choice, but is forced to go through an unwanted pregnancy, then the man should be equally responsible.
If the woman has the choice to abort and decides against it, then we can have a discussion about the man's responsibility.
Conservatives are always telling women that if they don't want to have babies they should not have sex. How about telling men the same thing.
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Originally posted by kccd View Post
If the woman has no say and no choice, but is forced to go through an unwanted pregnancy, then the man should be equally responsible.
If the woman has the choice to abort and decides against it, then we can have a discussion about the man's responsibility.
Lets go ahead and start that discussion about the man's responsibility, shall we?
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Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View PostMy thoughts on this:
1. The mother has absolutely no right to input on this decsion.
2. The mother's state, financial stability, health, marital status, or relgion, have no input on this decision.
3. There should be a rough time-line parity between man and woman on making the decision, however, since it is easier for a man to be uninformed of pregnancy than a woman, I would argue that his timeline starts upon official notification of pregnancy.
The woman may be accepting and even happy with the pregnancy and to give birth to the child and then the man whose precautions failed or who never took any measures to ensure against pregnancy wants the woman to have an abortion or sign a contract to absolve him from having any responsibility. Surely not?
If the women wants an abortion and the man doesn't, this presents another problem! Should the man have the right to deny the abortion?
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Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View PostMy thoughts on this:
1. The mother has absolutely no right to input on this decsion.
2. The mother's state, financial stability, health, marital status, or relgion, have no input on this decision.
3. There should be a rough time-line parity between man and woman on making the decision, however, since it is easier for a man to be uninformed of pregnancy than a woman, I would argue that his timeline starts upon official notification of pregnancy.
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostNot necessarily. He may have not wanted to engage initially but surely biology kicked in. He must have been able to penetrate and release at least some sperm if only a dribble.
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Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post
Wow. Just wow. Sounds like you've never heard of rape. You sound similarly as ignorant as that Republican lawmaker who opined about women having 'biology' that kicks in to get rid of children if she was raped.
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
Can a woman actually "rape" a man?A sixteen year old having sex with a twelve year old is illegal in our societies but was the twelve year old boy forced against his consent? He presumably had an erection - otherwise I am thinking the mechanics would have been quite awkward and entailed a lot of fumbling. He presumably also released some sperm, either as drips or a full ejaculation, otherwise she could not have become pregant.Last edited by Gondwanaland; 06-08-2021, 07:42 PM. Reason: EDIT per CD's request for H_A to take this absolute insanity to another thread.
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