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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostFor the longest time handguns were pretty much the only target of the gun grabbers -- particularly inexpensive models which the poor could afford (so-called Saturday Night Specials).Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View Post
I have one of those, a 32 cal. made in the 1930s...
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostThe closest I have is a .38 derringer. Great pocket pistol.
https://www.bondarms.com/bond-arms-4...ger-perfected/Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View Post
You do know that most people killed with a firearm are killed with a pistol. Would you ban those too?
The right to bear arms implies a population with enough integrity and sanity to be able to handle that responsibility. For whatever the reason, we seem to have left that place behind.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostIf you don't like guns, don't own a gun. Simple.
I'm not hopeful there is any real solution to the crazies our there shooting up people though. The 2nd amendment has allowed so many guns to be out there that reigning them in would be a herculean task. That is why I lamented it has become our curse. There probably isn't a way to stop the carnage. But it would be nice of we tried.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
The right to bear arms implies a population with enough integrity and sanity to be able to handle that responsibility. For whatever the reason, we seem to have left that place behind.
Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View Post
It implies no such thing, anymore that the 1st Amendment does.
So I'm speaking in the abstract about what is required for the existence of the 2nd amendment not to result in the sort of nearly daily mass shooting events we are having now.
I'm of the opinion the risk/benefit ratio has long ago been shown to be far too large to consider the 2nd amendment useful to our society as it is now in play. We need strict controls on who qualifies for such weapons where those controls are designed and moderated by a non-political body. The criteria needs to be no history of violence, no felonies, as well as of sound mind psychologically. And their need to be be good ways of revoking such a license if the person becomes unstable mentally, or commits a felony or act of violence.
Yes, I know criminals wont follow the rules, which is why possession of an illegal firearm needs to have very strict penalties. If you are not licensed and/or the gun is not registered, or you are not under legitimate supervision (e.g. in training or a licensed father with his kids etc), off to jail you go.
Yeah, I know there are lots of fears as to how politicians might use those restraints to control access to guns for other reasons, but it's out of control. If you have better ideas about how to bring it under control, feel free to propose them. But doing nothing is becoming more and more untenable.Last edited by oxmixmudd; 06-07-2021, 12:55 PM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
Don't be silly. I'm not talking about the text of the amendment. I'm talking about the moral responsibility that is required to have and use a lethal weapon safely. Sure, you can just give guns out willy nilly, but that is morally irresponsible unless the population you give them to knows how to use them has the integrity and character to only use them as can be morally justified.
So I'm speaking in the abstract about what is required for the existence of the 2nd amendment not to result in the sort of nearly daily mass shooting events we are having now.
I'm of the opinion the risk/benefit ratio has long ago been shown to be far too large to consider the 2nd amendment useful to our society as it is now in play. We need strict controls on who qualifies for such weapons where those controls are designed and moderated by a non-political body. The criteria needs to be no history of violence, no felonies, as well as of sound mind psychologically. And their need to be be good ways of revoking such a license if the person becomes unstable mentally, or commits a felony or act of violence.
Yes, I know criminals wont follow the rules, which is why possession of an illegal firearm needs to have very strict penalties. If you are not licensed and/or the gun is not registered, or you are not under legitimate supervision (e.g. in training or a licensed father with his kids etc), off to jail you go.
Yeah, I know there are lots of fears as to how politicians might use those restraints to control access to guns for other reasons, but it's out of control. If you have better ideas about how to bring it under control, feel free to propose them. But doing nothing is becoming more and more untenable.
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Originally posted by seer View Post
I have my eye on a 45cal. derringer. Probably will beak my hand though...
https://www.bondarms.com/bond-arms-4...ger-perfected/
Since you have to manually pull back the hammer to fire the second round, a little kick is not really an issue.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
Don't be silly. I'm not talking about the text of the amendment. I'm talking about the moral responsibility that is required to have and use a lethal weapon safely. Sure, you can just give guns out willy nilly, but that is morally irresponsible unless the population you give them to knows how to use them has the integrity and character to only use them as can be morally justified.
So I'm speaking in the abstract about what is required for the existence of the 2nd amendment not to result in the sort of nearly daily mass shooting events we are having now.
I'm of the opinion the risk/benefit ratio has long ago been shown to be far too large to consider the 2nd amendment useful to our society as it is now in play. We need strict controls on who qualifies for such weapons where those controls are designed and moderated by a non-political body. The criteria needs to be no history of violence, no felonies, as well as of sound mind psychologically. And their need to be be good ways of revoking such a license if the person becomes unstable mentally, or commits a felony or act of violence.
Yes, I know criminals wont follow the rules, which is why possession of an illegal firearm needs to have very strict penalties. If you are not licensed and/or the gun is not registered, or you are not under legitimate supervision (e.g. in training or a licensed father with his kids etc), off to jail you go.
Yeah, I know there are lots of fears as to how politicians might use those restraints to control access to guns for other reasons, but it's out of control. If you have better ideas about how to bring it under control, feel free to propose them. But doing nothing is becoming more and more untenable.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
The thing you don't seem to appreciate is that these arguments could apply to any freedom. The other thing you don't seem to appreciate is that the Second Amendment guarantees us the means to defend every other right. Disarm the citizens, and stripping them of their other rights becomes trivial.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Sparko View Post
Any freedom or right can (and will be) be misused, Jim. That is no reason to eliminate it.
When do you suppose the cost in lives lost outweighs the potential benefit of the 2nd Amendment.
Last edited by oxmixmudd; 06-07-2021, 02:16 PM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
It is when people are being gunned down daily by that misuse. Rights can in fact be lost. Just ask any Felon.
When do you suppose the cost in lives lost outweighs the potential benefit of the 2nd Amendment.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostOne could argue that the Founding Fathers never envisioned the telegraph much less radio, TV, phones, the internet, wifi... when they wrote the First Amendment so free speech only covers what is said to people in your physical presence or written by quill or printed by a hand-powered printing press. After all, such things greatly enable say the widespread dissemination of libelous and slanderous statements. Someone can commit treason, endangering the entire nation by posting highly classified material that can be seen worldwide in an instance.
Last edited by oxmixmudd; 06-07-2021, 02:40 PM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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