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Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
"Reasonable safeguards" One person's "reasonable" is another's unreasonable. Imagine putting Trump in charge of "reasonable safeguards" on speech or freedom of the press.
I get skeptical once people start talking "reasonable", as it's a weasel word without real meaning.
I think you should rethink the use of 'weasel', which implies sneaky, deceptive, or weak. Drawing hard lines early might be considered 'strong' or 'truthful' by some. but in a discussion it tends to put up walls and get in the way of understanding between parties with different viewpoints.
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
Minority report was an interesting movie, but Sci-Fi. To characterize putting reasonable safeguards in place wrt the ownership of guns as 'sci-fi' is absurd rhetoric designed not to address the points made but to hide your own incapacity to reason fairly about the issues.
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
Yeah - you did. Your counters were based on absurd conclusions relative to my comments, exactly as my example response to you was. It's a standard incendiary rhetoric - accuse the fellow you are arguing with of some extreme but obviously absurd consequence of what was said and then pretend as if that was the entire and only intended meaning that could have been their point.
It's why so many discussions on this board become flaming matches.
As I said, if you can't handle what you dish out, then maybe you should change your approach. You can have the last insult.
OK, please tell me what position of yours I misrepresented or distorted. What incendiary rhetoric did I "dish out" exactly? If I did, I am sorry.Last edited by Sparko; 06-09-2021, 12:48 PM.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Post
OK, you keep telling yourself that Jim. I didn't distort your position, I merely responded to what you actually said and gave some counters to it. Which you dismissed as "bad analogies" - then you tried burning a straw man and claiming I hold a position I never said I did.
It's why so many discussions on this board become flaming matches.
As I said, if you can't handle what you dish out, then maybe you should change your approach. You can have the last insult.
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
Minority report was an interesting movie, but Sci-Fi. To characterize putting reasonable safeguards in place wrt the ownership of guns as 'sci-fi' is absurd rhetoric designed not to address the points made but to hide your own incapacity to reason fairly about the issues.
I get skeptical once people start talking "reasonable", as it's a weasel word without real meaning.
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
That is exactly what I did Sparko. I said to myself "Sparko is constantly distorting my positions and going off on extreme tangents, lets see how he reacts when I do the same to his tendency to reject any attempts to control access to guns". And that is what I did. And your capacity to argue rationally under that paradigm collapsed immediately. Since you can't handle what you dish out, perhaps you should try a different approach.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Post
Riigghhht.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostLiberals are engaging in a sort of "pre-crime" mentality like in the story Minority Report where people are declared guilty before a crime has even been committed.
"A person with a gun might use it to commit a crime, so we are obligated to deny his rights before he has that opportunity."
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Originally posted by Sparko View Post
Or you are burning straw because I never said any such thing. I do think that someone's rights should not be removed without due process and certainly not by some law that violates the constitution.
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Liberals are engaging in a sort of "pre-crime" mentality like in the story Minority Report where people are declared guilty before a crime has even been committed.
"A person with a gun might use it to commit a crime, so we are obligated to deny his rights before he has that opportunity."
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
That is very sad then.
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
So then - you would advocate then for the idea that everyone, no matter if they are insane, or a violent felon, or wife and/or child abuser, drug additct etc. has a fundamental right to own a gun?
Yes, Ox, that is what I am advocating for. You got me.
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