"It’s dehumanizing"

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

Under German law, 11yo is below the age of consent of 14. So, legally, even in your own country, an 11yo cannot give consent, and would have been considered raped.

I did not suggest it was legal. In fact I made that point in an early reply. However, sexual fantasies do not abide by what is legal and young people have sexual fantasies before they are legally old enough to have sex.

Come on CD don't try and tell me you never had fantasies about an older girl, or a particular movie star, or singer when you were still legally under the age of sexual consent.

[eider]

Here was an interesting video I found a while back on the topic:

Yep. And there it is....all such a joke.
Sexual assault and rape are dreadfully serious offences but our countries still haven't fixed the bigotry and one sidedness of these offences.

Young man gets sexually assaulted on a bus. Meh......

Young woman gets sexually assaulted on a bus.
Shock horror! How can this happen?

Such mindsets are slowly changing, as are our laws about male rape etc, but it's going to take a couple more generations, maybe.

[eider]

Under German law, 11yo is below the age of consent of 14. So, legally, even in your own country, an 11yo cannot give consent, and would have been considered raped.

True.
Over here, if a 16 yr girl seduces or forces a 12 the boy she commits a serious sexual offence.
If she's 18 yrs then she would get prison time, probably.

We chuck teachers in prison who sexually touch any student of 18 or under, it doesn't matter the sex of victim or teacher.

[CivilDiscourse]

I did not suggest it was legal. In fact I made that point in an early reply. However, sexual fantasies do not abide by what is legal and young people have sexual fantasies before they are legally old enough to have sex.

Come on CD don't try and tell me you never had fantasies about an older girl, or a particular movie star, or singer when you were still legally under the age of sexual consent.

But, you questioned whether he was raped. The answer was unequivocally, yes.

[CivilDiscourse]

Yep. And there it is....all such a joke.
Sexual assault and rape are dreadfully serious offences but our countries still haven't fixed the bigotry and one sidedness of these offences.

Young man gets sexually assaulted on a bus. Meh......

Young woman gets sexually assaulted on a bus.
Shock horror! How can this happen?

Such mindsets are slowly changing, as are our laws about male rape etc, but it's going to take a couple more generations, maybe.

It doesn't help when you have rape apologists like Hypatia around either.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

It doesn't help when you have rape apologists like Hypatia around either.

Why do you feel the need to flagrantly lie about what I have written? Does it give you some kind of kick?

That combined with your disturbing attempts to start threads about me [or directed towards me] and your repeated gossiping to others about me, makes me begin to wonder if I have an internet stalker.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

Yep. And there it is....all such a joke.
Sexual assault and rape are dreadfully serious offences but our countries still haven't fixed the bigotry and one sidedness of these offences.

Young man gets sexually assaulted on a bus. Meh......

Young woman gets sexually assaulted on a bus.
Shock horror! How can this happen?

Such mindsets are slowly changing, as are our laws about male rape etc, but it's going to take a couple more generations, maybe.

That video is a very long way from the initial scenario referenced by CivilDiscourse where a twelve year old boy was seduced [no other word for it] by his sixteen year old female baby sitter who then became pregnant [no idea how often they had sex for that to occur - it could have just been the one time]. You can read the article here. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/b...-child-support.

The young boy later contended he should not pay child support because he had been too young at the time to give his consent to sex and was taken advantage of by the older girl.

[CivilDiscourse]

Why do you feel the need to flagrantly lie about what I have written? Does it give you some kind of kick?

That combined with your disturbing attempts to start threads about me [or directed towards me] and your repeated gossiping to others about me, makes me begin to wonder if I have an internet stalker.

That's not a lie, it's an observation. You were given an example of a raped child, and you questioned whether it was even possible to rape a guy. That is the action of a rape-apologist. I'm sorry your actions have outed you, but that's your problem.

Here's what you've written on the subject:

Can a woman actually "rape" a man?

Not necessarily. He may have not wanted to engage initially but surely biology kicked in. He must have been able to penetrate and release at least some sperm if only a dribble.

I would suspect that male rape victims have to first be identified as having been raped - a point to which my comments had relevance.

Again, we were talking about an 11 year old child being raped, and these were your comments.

YOU ARE A RAPE-APOLOGIST.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

That's not a lie, it's an observation. You were given an example of a raped child, and you questioned whether it was even possible to rape a guy. That is the action of a rape-apologist. I'm sorry your actions have outed you, but that's your problem.

Here's what you've written on the subject:







Again, we were talking about an 11 year old child being raped, and these were your comments.

YOU ARE A RAPE-APOLOGIST.

I've flagged this to a moderator your fixation is becoming very disturbing. Please leave this thread.

[Bill the Cat]

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[eider]

That video is a very long way from the initial scenario referenced by CivilDiscourse where a twelve year old boy was seduced [no other word for it] by his sixteen year old female baby sitter who then became pregnant [no idea how often they had sex for that to occur - it could have just been the one time]. You can read the article here. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/b...-child-support.

The young boy later contended he should not pay child support because he had been too young at the time to give his consent to sex and was taken advantage of by the older girl.

She committed a sexual offence, at least in the UK she did.
She was carrying out responsible duties of care, professionally and took advantage of the child she was supposed to be protecting.

A person in a position of responsibility seducing a child/pupil goes on our sexual offender list and will probably get prison or tag time.

The civil case for child support is for judges to worry about, I reckon.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

She committed a sexual offence, at least in the UK she did.
She was carrying out responsible duties of care, professionally and took advantage of the child she was supposed to be protecting.

A person in a position of responsibility seducing a child/pupil goes on our sexual offender list and will probably get prison or tag time.

The civil case for child support is for judges to worry about, I reckon.

Oh I do not deny for one moment that this young girl committed an offence but who knows what her feelings were? Maybe she was sweet on the boy. Some twelve year olds can look older than their years. The point I was making was about rape. He was coerced/seduced but I do not know if we can use the word rape in that situation. The one you described most definitely yes. But a young boy at home with a young girl [albeit one some years older]. I just don't know. We also have no idea of what took place nor how often they had sex. Was it just the one time?

The issue that I think was being considered was should young men who have been assaulted in that manner [and it was assault] be expected to pay towards the child that may result from such incidents. And that is another matter entirely.

[eider]

Oh I do not deny for one moment that this young girl committed an offence but who knows what her feelings were? Maybe she was sweet on the boy. Some twelve year olds can look older than their years. The point I was making was about rape. He was coerced/seduced but I do not know if we can use the word rape in that situation.

Where I live that is a form of rape.

The one you described most definitely yes. But a young boy at home with a young girl [albeit one some years older]. I just don't know. We also have no idea of what took place nor how often they had sex. Was it just the one time?

Try turning the whole scenario around.
A 16yr old boy is baby sitting a 12yr old girl.
He seduces her. They have sex.
Take it from there.
If your feelings are in any way different then there is no gender balance .

The issue that I think was being considered was should young men who have been assaulted in that manner [and it was assault] be expected to pay towards the child that may result from such incidents. And that is another matter entirely.

He was less than a youth, he was a junior. He died not work.
His parents thought he was safe... He was not.
Civil judgements will differ by country, but I don't think a UK court would find against the child, nor his parents.
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[Hypatia_Alexandria]

Where I live that is a form of rape.

Fair enough.

Try turning the whole scenario around.
A 16yr old boy is baby sitting a 12yr old girl.
He seduces her. They have sex.
Take it from there.
If your feelings are in any way different then there is no gender balance .

The only difference is anatomical. A woman can be penetrated non consensually [as of course can a man anally].

However, can a male be forced to penetrate? I honestly do not know and have no experience of these matters.

The scenario you recounted was horrendous.

[oxmixmudd]

Fair enough.


The only difference is anatomical. A woman can be penetrated non consensually [as of course can a man anally].

However, can a male be forced to penetrate? I honestly do not know and have no experience of these matters.

The scenario you recounted was horrendous.

I suppose you need to look carefully at whether you want to excuse a man accused of rape if there is any element of arousal involved with the woman. If not, then the reciprocal also applies. The simple truth is the male sex drive is something you put walls around to control, not something that is easily stopped once begun, So pretty much all that is needed to get a young man to have sex with a woman against their (non aroused) will is to get them sufficiently aroused. The male sex drive will take care of the rest. Jacob ran from Potiphar's wife because had he hung around, she'd have gotten what she wanted - against his will.