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  • #16
    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
    New York got all of the assistance that they didn't bother to use. Instead of sending Chicom coronavirus patients to the hospital ship or other facilities that sat empty they sent them into nursing homes where those who are most vulnerable to the disease were.
    Yes, hindsight is 20/20. Anyone can tell that New York didn't need to keep any hospital capacity in reserve, now.

    And the New York being hit early excuse does not wash. Both states had their first Covid patients the exact same day -- March 1, 2020. In fact Florida had two cases while NY had one.
    When they finally detected their first case tells you nothing about when they actually had their first case, or how many they had when one was finally detected. Or how many cases they had when people started dying in large numbers.

    New York got hit hard early. By the beginning of June, New York had 373,000 cases and 24,000 deaths. Florida had 57,000 cases and 2460 deaths. We know now that while a lot of this was due to New York's higher population density and more reliance on mass transit, most of it was due to the fact that Florida has warmer, sunnier, more humid weather.

    Since then, New York has had slightly less than 2 million cases and about 29,000 deaths, while Florida has had over 2 million cases and over 34,000 deaths. Despite Florida's significant weather advantage.

    And I'm sure DeSantis deserves most of the credit for that.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Stoic View Post
      Yes, hindsight is 20/20. Anyone can tell that New York didn't need to keep any hospital capacity in reserve, now.
      It might have been a good idea to place the patients who tested positive in them rather than force nursing homes to warehouse them. And that didn't need hindsight to realize.

      Originally posted by Stoic View Post
      When they finally detected their first case tells you nothing about when they actually had their first case, or how many they had when one was finally detected. Or how many cases they had when people started dying in large numbers.

      New York got hit hard early. By the beginning of June, New York had 373,000 cases and 24,000 deaths. Florida had 57,000 cases and 2460 deaths. We know now that while a lot of this was due to New York's higher population density and more reliance on mass transit, most of it was due to the fact that Florida has warmer, sunnier, more humid weather.

      Since then, New York has had slightly less than 2 million cases and about 29,000 deaths, while Florida has had over 2 million cases and over 34,000 deaths. Despite Florida's significant weather advantage.
      That is evidence that New York handled the pandemic in a far worse manner than Florida did.

      Covid was detected in both states at the same time. It blew up in New York and didn't in Florida. And if sunny warm humid weather is the answer you should probably inform India that what has taken place there over the past two months must be grossly exaggerated. The same goes for places like Brazil, Mexico and of course Peru.



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      • #18
        Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
        It might have been a good idea to place the patients who tested positive in them rather than force nursing homes to warehouse them. And that didn't need hindsight to realize.
        No, hindsight tells us that those beds weren't going to be needed for critically ill patients.

        That is evidence that New York handled the pandemic in a far worse manner than Florida did.
        No, it's evidence that New York was in a much worse position than Florida.

        Covid was detected in both states at the same time. It blew up in New York and didn't in Florida. And if sunny warm humid weather is the answer you should probably inform India that what has taken place there over the past two months must be grossly exaggerated. The same goes for places like Brazil, Mexico and of course Peru.
        I did mention population density, didn't I?

        The quality of a country's healthcare system makes a difference too, as does the wealth of a country.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Stoic View Post
          No, hindsight tells us that those beds weren't going to be needed for critically ill patients.
          But no hindsight is needed to realize that they could have been used for patients that tested positive for the Chicom coronavirus rather than forcing nursing homes to accept them (and then lying about it saying that's what "Trump's CDC" required).

          Originally posted by Stoic View Post
          No, it's evidence that New York was in a much worse position than Florida.
          The fatality rate confirms that. The question is why. In spite of your false claims that New York got the pandemic early on while Florida didn't (in reality they got their first cases on the same day), the biggest difference was in how the states responded to it.

          New York's response led to 30% more deaths than seen in Florida in spite of the latter having 2 million more people and a far more vulnerable population (a much higher percentage of elderly residents).

          Originally posted by Stoic View Post
          I did mention population density, didn't I?
          If that was the deciding factors perhaps you'd care to explain places like Singapore? Far more densely populated but with but a fraction of the cases we saw in New York percentage-wise. Same with Taiwan.

          And keep in mind, when considering population density nearly an entire third of Florida is swamp (or "wetland") with very few folks living in it. Naturally, that is going to give a very inaccurate impression of less people per square mile.

          I'm always still in trouble again

          "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
          "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
          "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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          • #20
            Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
            But no hindsight is needed to realize that they could have been used for patients that tested positive for the Chicom coronavirus rather than forcing nursing homes to accept them (and then lying about it saying that's what "Trump's CDC" required).
            As I already said, hindsight is needed to realize that those beds weren't going to be needed for critically ill patients.

            The fatality rate confirms that. The question is why. In spite of your false claims that New York got the pandemic early on while Florida didn't (in reality they got their first cases on the same day),
            New York had over six times as many cases in the first three months as Florida. Tell me what Florida did in those early days to have fewer cases than New York, other than have a better climate and lower population density.

            the biggest difference was in how the states responded to it.

            New York's response led to 30% more deaths than seen in Florida in spite of the latter having 2 million more people and a far more vulnerable population (a much higher percentage of elderly residents).
            After the first three months, the two state were comparable, in spite of Florida's favorable climate and lower population density.

            And I think that can best be explained by how the two states responded to it.

            If that was the deciding factors perhaps you'd care to explain places like Singapore? Far more densely populated but with but a fraction of the cases we saw in New York percentage-wise. Same with Taiwan.
            Yes, those nations show what can happen when you have a favorable climate AND you take the disease seriously. (But of course they had the advantage of having been through SARS.)

            And keep in mind, when considering population density nearly an entire third of Florida is swamp (or "wetland") with very few folks living in it. Naturally, that is going to give a very inaccurate impression of less people per square mile.
            Feel free to look up actual statistics regarding population density in the urban areas of the two states.

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