He makes great points, and recognizes that there is a liberal push to censor, even if they try to figure out ways to soften the terminology:
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The political right doesn't, and never did, control the national MSM like the leftist BlueAnon brigade does. Qanon was only relegated to certain niche social media platforms on the internet, and never got MSM backing, ever. In fact, the broader public probably never would have even known about Qanon had it not been for the MSM's negative spotlight on it. Jussie Smollett conspiracy, Russiagate conspiracy, Russian bounties conspiracy on the other hand was given national attention and validation from the very start.
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Originally posted by seanD View PostIn fact, the broader public probably never would have even known about Qanon had it not been for the MSM's negative spotlight on it.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
To be honest, even as someone who keeps myself reasonably informed, I still don't have a good idea as to who or what Qanon actually is or what they believe.
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Originally posted by seanD View Post
Because it's pretty much an amorphous social media meme overlapped with other social media memes. The basic premise is that there are good and moral folks in intelligence (controlled by the Trump faction) covertly fighting the bad and immoral folks (controlled by the anti-Trump faction). This is what primarily grabbed the political right because it sounded so reassuring against what was happening in the intelligence community in the last four years. Everything else (pizzgate, etc.) was just add-on memes.
As conveniently summarized by a secular news site (with reference to the larger Q conspiracy), "QAnon purports that America is run by a cabal of pedophiles and Satan-worshippers who run a global child sex-trafficking operation and that former President Trump is the only person who can stop them. The information supposedly comes from a high-ranking government official who posts cryptic clues on 4chan and the even more unfettered site 8chan under the name 'Q.'"
Accordingly, "It claims the military, supposedly eager to see the deep state overthrown, recruited Donald Trump to run for the president. But the deep state, which controls the media, quickly tried to smear him through 'fake news' and unfounded allegations of collusion with Russia. It goes on to insist that despite the deep state's best efforts, however, Mr. Trump is winning, and that Q is releasing sanctioned leaks to the public in order to galvanize them ahead of 'The Storm,' which is the moment when the deep state's leaders are arrested and sent to Guantanamo Bay. QAnon believers have called this process 'The Great Awakening.'"
Of course, there is some truth in the myth of these fantasies, enough to fuel the imaginations of the faithful. But in the end, this is nothing less than conspiratorial nonsense.
That's the best explanation I've heard. I think it probably explains some of the crazy ideas of my best friend's sister. (But I doubt she frequents 4chan or 8chan.)
I have this itchy feeling in my brain that this may be a modern analog of the old scams infidel pranksters used to see how gullible Christians could be.Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
Beige Federalist.
Nationalist Christian.
"Everybody is somebody's heretic."
Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.
Proud member of the this space left blank community.
Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.
Justice for Ashli Babbitt!
Justice for Matthew Perna!
Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
In this article, Doc Brown says this (but annoyingly, does not specify the source from which he quotes):
As conveniently summarized by a secular news site (with reference to the larger Q conspiracy), "QAnon purports that America is run by a cabal of pedophiles and Satan-worshippers who run a global child sex-trafficking operation and that former President Trump is the only person who can stop them. The information supposedly comes from a high-ranking government official who posts cryptic clues on 4chan and the even more unfettered site 8chan under the name 'Q.'"
Accordingly, "It claims the military, supposedly eager to see the deep state overthrown, recruited Donald Trump to run for the president. But the deep state, which controls the media, quickly tried to smear him through 'fake news' and unfounded allegations of collusion with Russia. It goes on to insist that despite the deep state's best efforts, however, Mr. Trump is winning, and that Q is releasing sanctioned leaks to the public in order to galvanize them ahead of 'The Storm,' which is the moment when the deep state's leaders are arrested and sent to Guantanamo Bay. QAnon believers have called this process 'The Great Awakening.'"
Of course, there is some truth in the myth of these fantasies, enough to fuel the imaginations of the faithful. But in the end, this is nothing less than conspiratorial nonsense.
That's the best explanation I've heard. I think it probably explains some of the crazy ideas of my best friend's sister. (But I doubt she frequents 4chan or 8chan.)
I have this itchy feeling in my brain that this may be a modern analog of the old scams infidel pranksters used to see how gullible Christians could be.
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Interesting... and liberals think all Republicans believe all of that? Prior to this, the most I knew about qanon is that one of my favorite conservative political blogs had a standing rule that anybody who even so much as mentioned qanon would be instantly perma-banned without question, which seems to be the correct response.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostTo be honest, even as someone who keeps myself reasonably informed, I still don't have a good idea as to who or what Qanon actually is or what they believe.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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The most common process i see is a pressure campaign to get someone fired or deplatformed. When this is attacked the response is companies can do what they want. Ignoring that the person they just attacked had that same right. And the company they pressured and threatened had the same right before pressure.
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Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View PostThe most common process i see is a pressure campaign to get someone fired or deplatformed. When this is attacked the response is companies can do what they want. Ignoring that the person they just attacked had that same right. And the company they pressured and threatened had the same right before pressure.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View PostIt used to be liberals who fought for free speech over companies. They argued that company towns couldn't limit free speech on company property (i.e. the town)
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostThe entire free speech movement arose from liberal students at Berkeley in the 60s. Now, just like with being against racism and anti-Semitism, the left has kicked that to the curb.
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Originally posted by seanD View PostThe fact the corporate and military establishment was in opposition against the left in the 60s, just goes to show you how vastly different the left is today than the left was back then. In fact, it's nothing like the left was in the past. Though they certainly do manufacture fake racism problems to try and emulate it.
He just published a book called Giving the Devil his Due (with the Devil here being a reference to the phrase "devil's advocate") in which he strenuously argues against the censorship that is becoming increasingly pervasive, and in which he noted that because of how much moral progress there has been over the past few centuries, with most of the big moral issues having already been fought and won,[1] that this leaves millennials with much smaller causes to champion.
Hence their outrage is disappropriate when compared to the causes of the past and they essentially tend to make mountains out of molehills to justify it. He also attacks the resulting culture of victimhood where one can gain status by claiming to be oppressed even if their case pales in comparison to the oppression of the past.
1. at least here in the West, though to hear your average SJW tell it, the problems exist primarily in the West
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I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostThat last sentence brought to mind something that the liberal atheistic science historian and founder of The Skeptic Society (and editor-in-chief of its magazine Skeptic), Michael Shermer, wrote several months ago regarding his concerns over suppressing free speech. He has become an outspoken critic of the cancel culture and its desire to silence all opposing views.
He just published a book called Giving the Devil his Due (with the Devil here being a reference to the phrase "devil's advocate") in which he strenuously argues against the censorship that is becoming increasingly pervasive, and in which he noted that because of how much moral progress there has been over the past few centuries, with most of the big moral issues having already been fought and won,[1] that this leaves millennials with much smaller causes to champion.
Hence their outrage is disappropriate when compared to the causes of the past and they essentially tend to make mountains out of molehills to justify it. He also attacks the resulting culture of victimhood where one can gain status by claiming to be oppressed even if their case pales in comparison to the oppression of the past.
1. at least here in the West, though to hear your average SJW tell it, the problems exist primarily in the West
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