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  • The UK Must Be Racist!

    That is the only thing that can explain this racist law!

    Queen’s speech: voters will need photo ID for general elections

    Britons will have to show photo ID to vote in future general elections, ministers are poised to confirm this week, as a means of tackling fraud which critics claim could deter poorer and ethnic minority voters from taking part in democracy.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ns-social-care
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  • #2
    Originally posted by seer View Post
    That is the only thing that can explain this racist law!
    For the sarcastically impaired the following is said in jest

    No question about it. The old gal hates ethnic minorities


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    • #3
      Originally posted by rogue06 View Post

      For the sarcastically impaired the following is said in jest

      No question about it. The old gal hates ethnic minorities

      White privilege on steroids!
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      • #4
        The Tories are trying out GOP voter suppression tactics. They're an awful party, so no shock at stooping to this level, they've got the fake culture war stuff down pat.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by EvoUK View Post
          The Tories are trying out GOP voter suppression tactics. They're an awful party, so no shock at stooping to this level, they've got the fake culture war stuff down pat.
          Explain how voter ID is "voter suppression tactics." I want to hear from your own words how that is. This should be good.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by seanD View Post

            Explain how voter ID is "voter suppression tactics." I want to hear from your own words how that is. This should be good.
            That ^
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            • #7
              Originally posted by seer View Post
              That is the only thing that can explain this racist law!
              Looks reasonable to me.
              One person, one vote.

              Would you like that as well?

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              • #8
                Conservatives want only those who are genuinely entitled to vote to be able to vote. If a few people miss out, that's a pity.

                Progressives want everyone who is entitled to vote to be able to vote. If a few (or many) people who aren't entitled get to vote anyway, that's a pity.

                I prefer the conservative approach.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by seer View Post
                  That is the only thing that can explain this racist law!
                  As the article notes, "A requirement that all voters carry photo ID could impede people who wish to turn up at polling stations without planning ahead, given about a quarter of voters – often younger voters – do not have either a passport or driving licence, critics say." Hence if the requirement is that the voter must have some sort of ID [e.g. a drivers licence or a passport] then it will disenfranchise a lot of people who do not have those.

                  The issue is really about ID cards, and the fact that UK citizens do not have these. I seem to recall that the idea was suggested some time ago and was howled down as an infringement of a "Freeborn Englishman's" liberties.

                  I have never understood this issue about carrying an ID card [we all have them as do many other countries] given that in today's society there is a wealth of CCTV surveillance [particularly in the UK] that purchases through credit and debit cards are tracked as are details of many retail items, as well as the fact that anyone, wherever they live in the world, if they use a smart phone and/or a computer, is constantly being tracked by big tech and advertising.

                  Yet somehow a piece of plastic with an individual's name, residence, and photograph on it is an infringement of liberty!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                    As the article notes, "A requirement that all voters carry photo ID could impede people who wish to turn up at polling stations without planning ahead, given about a quarter of voters – often younger voters – do not have either a passport or driving licence, critics say." Hence if the requirement is that the voter must have some sort of ID [e.g. a drivers licence or a passport] then it will disenfranchise a lot of people who do not have those.
                    Exactly. Not even all driving licences are photo-IDs - there are plenty of older ones still in existence. There are plenty of people who don't have photo driving licences or passports or student cards or photo work passes. They would be unable to vote.

                    This isn't a racist measure in any way. Its a financial disenfranchisement measure, since it will impact those with least income, who may not be able to afford a car or to travel, and for whom photo IDs are an unnecessary expenditure.

                    It's not coincidental that the party proposing this measure does not support or enjoy much support from the less-well-off.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Roy View Post
                      Exactly. Not even all driving licences are photo-IDs - there are plenty of older ones still in existence. There are plenty of people who don't have photo driving licences or passports or student cards or photo work passes. They would be unable to vote.
                      That is the problem that issuing all citizens with ID cards would remove.

                      Originally posted by Roy View Post
                      This isn't a racist measure in any way. Its a financial disenfranchisement measure, since it will impact those with least income, who may not be able to afford a car or to travel, and for whom photo IDs are an unnecessary expenditure.
                      I agree, particularly among the young [many of whom, if they vote, do not vote Conservative] and of course the low income households, again a sector of society that should, but often does not, vote anyway.

                      Originally posted by Roy View Post
                      It's not coincidental that the party proposing this measure does not support or enjoy much support from the less-well-off.
                      Judging by the recent UK election results I am not sure that is entirely true. Reading The Guardian and The Observer amongst other newspapers over the week-end it appears that the Labour Party is in danger of becoming an irrelevance with support primarily among the well-heeled metropolitan voters and students. Solidly working class and Labour voting regions of England [not Scotland, Wales, or Northern Ireland] are turning to the Conservatives and it is England's election results that carry the day in any general election. The recent results also seem to be reflecting the Leave/Remain voting divide over Brexit. Nor do any of the investigations into corruption and sleaze among the Conservatives appear to be having an impact on voters' decisions.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Roy View Post
                        Exactly. Not even all driving licences are photo-IDs - there are plenty of older ones still in existence.
                        The concept of renewing a driver's license unknown over there? Do you get one for life?

                        And if the government decides to require photo IDs to vote, don't you suppose that they would also plan on issuing them first before requiring them?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by MaxVel View Post
                          Conservatives want only those who are genuinely entitled to vote to be able to vote. If a few people miss out, that's a pity.

                          Progressives want everyone who is entitled to vote to be able to vote. If a few (or many) people who aren't entitled get to vote anyway, that's a pity.

                          I prefer the conservative approach.
                          Further, conservatives are willing to bend over backwards trying to minimize the number that miss out. Even providing free I.D.s and going to where you live to issue it to you, as is the case where I live.

                          OTOH, those on the left keep trying to expand the number of ineligible people voting.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Roy View Post
                            Exactly. Not even all driving licences are photo-IDs - there are plenty of older ones still in existence. There are plenty of people who don't have photo driving licences or passports or student cards or photo work passes. They would be unable to vote.

                            This isn't a racist measure in any way. Its a financial disenfranchisement measure, since it will impact those with least income, who may not be able to afford a car or to travel, and for whom photo IDs are an unnecessary expenditure.

                            It's not coincidental that the party proposing this measure does not support or enjoy much support from the less-well-off.
                            I am pretty sure even in the UK in order to get welfare (public assistance) you have to provide an ID. To have a bank account you have to have an ID. To rent someplace to live, you have to have an ID. ID's are necessary to function in any society and are usually free or very cheap. The whole "poor and minorities can't get IDs" is a lie.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Sparko View Post

                              I am pretty sure even in the UK in order to get welfare (public assistance) you have to provide an ID. To have a bank account you have to have an ID. To rent someplace to live, you have to have an ID. ID's are necessary to function in any society and are usually free or very cheap. The whole "poor and minorities can't get IDs" is a lie.
                              And isn't it strange how liberals always claim it is poor minorities who are affected? Apparently they must think that poor whites don't have any problem getting an ID (or else they're racists who don't care if they do or don't).

                              This looks to be yet another version of liberals deciding that minorities just aren't capable of functioning without the help of generous white leftists to hold their hands and show them what to do.

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