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  • NYC: Just like the old days....

    Police: 2 women, child shot in New York City's Times Square

    NEW YORK (AP) — Three innocent bystanders including a 4-year-old girl who was toy shopping were shot in New York City's busy Times Square on Saturday afternoon when someone opened fire during a dispute between several men, Police Commissioner Dermot Shea said. All the victims were expected to recover.

    https://www.registercitizen.com/news...s-16162512.php
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  • #2
    I don't think you can conclude much from a single, non-lethal, incident.

    Crime in NYC, like in the US generally and all Western nations, has massively dropped across the last few decades. In NYC specifically, the murder rate is 80% lower than it was 30 years ago, and other kinds of crime are also down 80% compared to 30 years ago.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Starlight View Post
      I don't think you can conclude much from a single, non-lethal, incident.

      Crime in NYC, like in the US generally and all Western nations, has massively dropped across the last few decades. In NYC specifically, the murder rate is 80% lower than it was 30 years ago, and other kinds of crime are also down 80% compared to 30 years ago.
      We would need to look at more recent stats, not long-term trends.

      NYPD Announces Citywide Crime Statistics for March 2021

      April 6, 2021

      For the month of March 2021, New York City saw increases in index crimes, with the exception of robbery and burglary. Overall index crime rose 2.4% compared with March 2020, driven by a 36% increase in murder (34 v. 25) and a 35.1% increase in grand larceny auto (666 v. 493). There was a 11.8% decrease in robbery (842 v. 955) in March 2021, and a 8.5% reduction in burglary (919 v. 1004) compared to the previous year. Felonious assault saw a 0.9% increase compared to March 2020 (1643 v. 1629), and shooting incidents increased to 99 v. 56 in March 2020 (+76.8%).

      Combating gun violence in New York City remains a central focus for the NYPD. For the month of March 2021, there were 492 gun arrests citywide. This is an increase of 66.8% compared to March 2020, or +197 arrests. Patrol Borough Bronx and Patrol Borough Brooklyn North are leading the way with 162 and 113 arrests, respectively. As always, the NYPD continually deploys personnel to areas experiencing an uptick in violence. Additionally, precision policing allows investigators to build strong cases against those very few criminals who are the persistent drivers of violence.

      “Our hardworking police officers and investigators are relentless in the pursuit of public safety for all New Yorkers,” said Police Commissioner Dermot Shea. “Their work to prevent and investigate crime – as well as to build relationships with those they serve –continues, every day, in every borough and neighborhood of the city.”


      Murder is up 36%, Rape up 30%, shooting incidents up 67%, and 35% increase in grand theft auto over same period last year.

      "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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      • #4
        I did wonder if there was the danger of someone falling for a 2020 comparison when I pulled up the same site prior to writing my post above.

        For some reason, that I can't quite put my finger on, 2020 wasn't a normal year.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Starlight View Post
          I did wonder if there was the danger of someone falling for a 2020 comparison when I pulled up the same site prior to writing my post above.

          For some reason, that I can't quite put my finger on, 2020 wasn't a normal year.
          You're thinking that 2020 was an especially low year, so any comparison the following year would look artificially high?

          So, take a look at the TWO YEAR change.
          The numbers for Murder are up 32%
          Burglary is up 12.6%
          And the topic at hand - shootings -- up nearly double over the past 2 years.
          Grand Theft Auto also nearly double.
          Week to Date 28 Day Year to Date* 2 Year 11 Year (2010) 28 Year (1993)
          2021 2020 % Chg 2021 2020 % Chg 2021 2020 % Chg % Chg % Chg % Chg
          Murder 11 3 266.7 40 36 11.1 132 113 16.8 32.0 -13.2 -79.0
          Rape 24 19 26.3 96 72 33.3 448 444 0.9 -25.8 10.1 -56.0
          Robbery 241 148 62.8 852 661 28.9 3,553 4,203 -15.5 -4.0 -39.2 -87.2
          Fel. Assault 426 332 28.3 1,558 1,172 32.9 6,314 6,084 3.8 1.7 19.6 -49.0
          Burglary 185 265 -30.2 791 1,098 -28.0 3,741 4,406 -15.1 12.6 -34.5 -88.5
          Gr. Larceny 659 416 58.4 2,499 1,523 64.1 10,306 11,794 -12.6 -20.1 -10.5 -60.7
          G.L.A. 201 136 47.8 718 539 33.2 2,617 2,156 21.4 98.1 -19.1 -93.1
          TOTAL 1,747 1,319 32.45 6,554 5,101 28.48 27,111 29,200 -7.15 -3.71 -15.65 -80.42
          Transit 32 26 23.1 104 114 -8.8 457 844 -45.9 -40.4 -33.6 ***.*
          Housing 111 64 73.4 429 296 44.9 1,636 1,510 8.3 2.4 35.0 ***.*
          Petit Larceny 1,448 1,284 12.8 5,649 4,496 25.6 24,798 26,467 -6.3 -6.4 -0.1 ***.*
          Misd. Assault 658 481 36.8 2,517 1,737 44.9 10,143 11,268 -10.0 -23.9 -29.4 ***.*
          UCR Rape* 44 34 29.4 178 111 60.4 760 742 2.4 -21.3 ***.* ***.*
          Other Sex Crimes 89 48 85.4 390 142 174.6 1,408 1,241 13.5 -17.9 ***.* ***.*
          Shooting Vic. 49 17 188.2 164 65 152.3 463 259 78.8 93.7 -5.7 -74.5
          Shooting Inc. 42 14 200.0 148 56 164.3 416 227 83.3 93.5 3.5 -74.9
          Hate Crimes 15 3 400.0 70 13 438.5 169 101 67.3 17.4 ***.* ***.*
          "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Starlight View Post
            I don't think you can conclude much from a single, non-lethal, incident.

            Crime in NYC, like in the US generally and all Western nations, has massively dropped across the last few decades. In NYC specifically, the murder rate is 80% lower than it was 30 years ago, and other kinds of crime are also down 80% compared to 30 years ago.
            And during the same period that homicides were plummeting we were also experiencing a skyrocket increase in the number of firearms in private hands.

            I'm always still in trouble again

            "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
            "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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            • #7
              Cops have been leaving in droves and those that remain are afraid to do their jobs. Of course crime is up.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                Cops have been leaving in droves and those that remain are afraid to do their jobs. Of course crime is up.
                Not if you look at the long term trend, but this would be the "hockey stick" affect.

                Had been trending down for a long time, now heading back up, and sharply.

                CAR 54 WHERE ARE YOU?
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                  You're thinking that 2020 was an especially low year, so any comparison the following year would look artificially high?

                  So, take a look at the TWO YEAR change.
                  The numbers for Murder are up 32%
                  Burglary is up 12.6%
                  And the topic at hand - shootings -- up nearly double over the past 2 years.
                  Grand Theft Auto also nearly double.
                  Week to Date 28 Day Year to Date* 2 Year 11 Year (2010) 28 Year (1993)
                  2021 2020 % Chg 2021 2020 % Chg 2021 2020 % Chg % Chg % Chg % Chg
                  Murder 11 3 266.7 40 36 11.1 132 113 16.8 32.0 -13.2 -79.0
                  Rape 24 19 26.3 96 72 33.3 448 444 0.9 -25.8 10.1 -56.0
                  Robbery 241 148 62.8 852 661 28.9 3,553 4,203 -15.5 -4.0 -39.2 -87.2
                  Fel. Assault 426 332 28.3 1,558 1,172 32.9 6,314 6,084 3.8 1.7 19.6 -49.0
                  Burglary 185 265 -30.2 791 1,098 -28.0 3,741 4,406 -15.1 12.6 -34.5 -88.5
                  Gr. Larceny 659 416 58.4 2,499 1,523 64.1 10,306 11,794 -12.6 -20.1 -10.5 -60.7
                  G.L.A. 201 136 47.8 718 539 33.2 2,617 2,156 21.4 98.1 -19.1 -93.1
                  TOTAL 1,747 1,319 32.45 6,554 5,101 28.48 27,111 29,200 -7.15 -3.71 -15.65 -80.42
                  Transit 32 26 23.1 104 114 -8.8 457 844 -45.9 -40.4 -33.6 ***.*
                  Housing 111 64 73.4 429 296 44.9 1,636 1,510 8.3 2.4 35.0 ***.*
                  Petit Larceny 1,448 1,284 12.8 5,649 4,496 25.6 24,798 26,467 -6.3 -6.4 -0.1 ***.*
                  Misd. Assault 658 481 36.8 2,517 1,737 44.9 10,143 11,268 -10.0 -23.9 -29.4 ***.*
                  UCR Rape* 44 34 29.4 178 111 60.4 760 742 2.4 -21.3 ***.* ***.*
                  Other Sex Crimes 89 48 85.4 390 142 174.6 1,408 1,241 13.5 -17.9 ***.* ***.*
                  Shooting Vic. 49 17 188.2 164 65 152.3 463 259 78.8 93.7 -5.7 -74.5
                  Shooting Inc. 42 14 200.0 148 56 164.3 416 227 83.3 93.5 3.5 -74.9
                  Hate Crimes 15 3 400.0 70 13 438.5 169 101 67.3 17.4 ***.* ***.*
                  So, considering that chart, when you look at "past 28 days" compared to same period last year, or "same week" as compared to last year --- those crimes are WAY UP!!!!
                  Shooting incidents are 160 and 200%!!!
                  "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                  • #10
                    My apologies for not including the links -- I thought I had...

                    City Wide Crime Statistics Weekly (PDF)
                    City Wide Crime Statistics Weekly (Excel)

                    So the most current weekly report is pretty sobering... The increase in "same week' (most current) is even higher than the % for "past 28 days" compared to prior year.
                    Things are most certainly going in the wrong direction, pretty quickly.

                    april 26-may 2.jpg
                    "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                      Cops have been leaving in droves and those that remain are afraid to do their jobs. Of course crime is up.
                      police-911-emergency-will-respond-consult-with-lawyers.jpg

                      I'm always still in trouble again

                      "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                      "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                      • #12
                        Star 54 Where Are You?

                        "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                          Star 54 Where Are You?
                          Get it line

                          I'm always still in trouble again

                          "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                          "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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