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  • #16
    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
    Except that both the deceased and person applying need a valid Social Security number. It is the first requirement listed.
    The Social Security number requirement is in the FAQ, but not in the Policy.

    I suspect the Policy takes precedence, especially when the main page explicitly states, "There is no requirement for the deceased person to have been a U.S. citizen, non-citizen national, or qualified alien."

    <edit>

    The Policy also states that, on page 2. I somehow missed it the first time I looked for it.
    Last edited by Stoic; 05-29-2021, 03:23 PM.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by rogue06 View Post

      ^^juvie after he comments but before learning that by its nature (requiring valid Social Security numbers) it still excludes illegal immigrants
      It takes a special kind of rabid partisanship to confuse applicants with the deceased.
      • There is no requirement for the deceased person to have been a U.S. citizen, non-citizen national, or qualified alien.
      You are that special, rouge.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Stoic View Post

        I believe she's telling people who are ineligible to apply that there may be someone else who is eligible to apply,
        I can't make sense of this.
        Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
        But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
        Than a fool in the eyes of God


        From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Juvenal View Post

          It takes a special kind of rabid partisanship to confuse applicants with the deceased.
          • There is no requirement for the deceased person to have been a U.S. citizen, non-citizen national, or qualified alien.
          You are that special, rouge.
          Except that both the deceased and person applying need a valid Social Security number. It is the first requirement listed.

          Notice that is both the "applicant and the deceased" Even Stoic's source states that
          • The applicant must be a U.S. citizen, non-citizen national, or qualified alien who incurred funeral expenses after January 20, 2020.
          Illegals are not qualified.

          AOC is teaching folks who are not qualified to receive benefits how to commit fraud when she tells them to get a friend or neighbor and "work with them to apply to FEMA." You know, get some who isn't related and legally eligible to apply but is in the country legally and get their "help" in filling out the forms so they can get the money. There is only one way they can get the money. Commit fraud.

          I'm always still in trouble again

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          • #20
            Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
            Except that both the deceased and person applying need a valid Social Security number.
            The FAQ is obviously incorrect. Probably out of date.

            AOC is teaching folks who are not qualified to receive benefits how to commit fraud when she tells them to get a friend or neighbor and "work with them to apply to FEMA." You know, get some who isn't related and legally eligible to apply but is in the country legally and get their "help" in filling out the forms so they can get the money. There is only one way they can get the money. Commit fraud.
            It's not fraud if someone who is eligible applies.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

              I can't make sense of this.
              If you are an undocumented immigrant and someone close to you dies of covid-19, and you want to have a funeral, you can get a relative or friend who is a US citizen, non-citizen national, or qualified alien to pay for the funeral and apply for reimbursement.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Stoic View Post

                If you are an undocumented immigrant and someone close to you dies of covid-19, and you want to have a funeral, you can get a relative or friend who is a US citizen, non-citizen national, or qualified alien to pay for the funeral and apply for reimbursement.
                If an eligible individual paid for the funeral then they would be the ones to receive reimbursement, and that's only if the deceased was a legal US resident. There is no way for someone here illegally to apply for and receive benefits without committing fraud, which is what Cortez is advocating.
                Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                Than a fool in the eyes of God


                From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                  If an eligible individual paid for the funeral then they would be the ones to receive reimbursement, and that's only if the deceased was a legal US resident. There is no way for someone here illegally to apply for and receive benefits without committing fraud, which is what Cortez is advocating.
                  No, she's not advocating that anyone here illegally apply for and receive benefits.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                    and that's only if the deceased was a legal US resident.
                    That's just false, as has been pointed out a number of times.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Stoic View Post

                      That's just false, as has been pointed out a number of times.
                      Only someone here legally would have a social security number, which is a requirement for both the person applying and the decedent as specified on the website. You claim that's outdated information, but I have no idea how you reached that conclusion.

                      And here are Cortez's exact words:

                      "Well, undocumented people cannot apply directly for the FEMA program, but if you -- we've made the rules as flexible as possible so that if you have a family member, if you have a friend, a loved one, a neighbor, you can work with them to apply to FEMA, if anyone kind of has a situation like that, just call my office directly, and we can figure out the path that is easiest for you, given the details of your case."

                      Not only can those here illegally not apply for the benefits directly, they can't even apply for them indirectly without committing fraud, but here Cortez is saying if any illegal resident wants to dip their hand in the money pot, her office will help them figure out a way around the rules.
                      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                      Than a fool in the eyes of God


                      From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                        Only someone here legally would have a social security number, which is a requirement for both the person applying and the decedent as specified on the website. You claim that's outdated information, but I have no idea how you reached that conclusion.
                        That it's outdated is just a guess, based on the fact that it's wrong. I know that it's wrong because the Program Policy gives the documentation requirements and says nothing about requiring the decedent's social security number, and because FEMA's web page and the Program Policy say that there is no requirement for the decedent to have been a U.S. citizen, non-citizen national, or qualified alien.

                        And here are Cortez's exact words:

                        "Well, undocumented people cannot apply directly for the FEMA program, but if you -- we've made the rules as flexible as possible so that if you have a family member, if you have a friend, a loved one, a neighbor, you can work with them to apply to FEMA, if anyone kind of has a situation like that, just call my office directly, and we can figure out the path that is easiest for you, given the details of your case."

                        Not only can those here illegally not apply for the benefits directly, they can't even apply for them indirectly without committing fraud, but here Cortez is saying if any illegal resident wants to dip their hand in the money pot, her office will help them figure out a way around the rules.
                        AOC may not have phrased it well, but her words can just as easily be interpreted as saying that a friend, loved one, or neighbor who is qualified can apply for the benefits, which would not be fraud.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Juvenal View Post
                          ^^ roguereaction after having his right-wing outrage thread debunked
                          They never learn. They manage to be wrong close to 100% of the time, yet always gullibly swallow the next crazy false story that the right wing propaganda machines feed them.

                          100% of their worldview seems to be about gullible belief in lies and it doesn't seem to matter to them how many times things they believe are shown to be false. What's the point of trying to correct them? It's clear they've no interest in truth.
                          "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                          "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                          "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                          • #28
                            What you can tell is that the program is intended to help certain people with funeral expenses when a loved one dies of covid.

                            They didn't limit the deceased to that same group of people because its possible for someone to have a family member, such as a spouse or stepchild, that is not part of that group.

                            What AOC is doing is gaming the system. She is showing people how to circumvent the intended limitations. It may not be illegal, but is at odds with the intentions. Similar to how rich people avoid taxes through loopholes.

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                            • #29
                              Again, a reminder that undocumented immigrants pay taxes, yet are generally unable to take advantage of most welfare programs that their taxes support. They are not sponges on the system, they are giving more than they're getting.

                              In general the more undocumented immigrants there are, the more you guys benefit from the tax money they're paying that supports you guys but not them.

                              A bit of money for their funerals seems a small recompense. You might hate them for their race, but at least have a little bit of compassion for the dead.
                              "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                              "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                              "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                              • #30
                                As a heathen atheist skipping fruitfully along the highway to hell, I generally applaud these efforts to crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women. But for that last, refusing to pay for a decent funeral means you're only depriving yourselves.

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