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  • #16
    Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post
    Sadly it is doubtful Winnie Xi Pooh or his cronies will face any real consequences when they have so much of the world in their pocket.
    I think it's just the opposite - they caused a whole planet full of people monetary and physical injury, almost to a person and literally so in the most litigious country in the world - the US. No one is going to just change the channel and forget - and as the panic subsides anger will replace fear. Politicians can face that wrath alone or grab a proverbial pitchfork and lead the mob. I'm betting on the latter
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    • #17
      Originally posted by Teallaura View Post

      I think it's just the opposite - they caused a whole planet full of people monetary and physical injury, almost to a person and literally so in the most litigious country in the world - the US. No one is going to just change the channel and forget - and as the panic subsides anger will replace fear. Politicians can face that wrath alone or grab a proverbial pitchfork and lead the mob. I'm betting on the latter
      The problem is that you have political leftists here and everywhere, especially the MSM, covering for china. You try and link to an article like the one you linked here on social media and it'll get censored if not getting you banned. It's very strange, and I don't know why that's happening, but it is what it is.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by seanD View Post

        The problem is that you have political leftists here and everywhere, especially the MSM, covering for china. You try and link to an article like the one you linked here on social media and it'll get censored if not getting you banned. It's very strange, and I don't know why that's happening, but it is what it is.
        Censorship is a strategy for a losing side. That and putting a lid on a boiling pot is a good way to get it to boil over.

        It's a legitimate concern but the administration is a dumpster fire and the media is in deep trouble legally and financially. The legal and political backlash against Big Tech is gaining traction. The lead horse isn't Secretariat - and the pack has only just left the gate. The race is far from over.
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        • #19
          Ah, nothing to see here, nosiree, just CCP China's own military documents planning to use SARS coronaviruses as a weapon to overwhelm enemy medical systems and make them collapse......


          In 2015, Chinese military scientists discussed how to weaponze SARS coronaviruses, five years before the COVID-19 pandemic emerged in Wuhan, China - where CCP scientists were collaborating with a US-funded NGO on so-called 'gain of function' research to make bat coronaviruses infect humans more easily.

          In a 263-page document, written by People's Liberation Army scientists and senior Chinese public health officials and obtained by the US State Department during its investigation into the origins of COVID-19, PLA scientists note how a sudden surge of patients requiring hospitalization during a bioweapon attack "could cause the enemy’s medical system to collapse," according to The Weekend Australian (a subsidiary of News Corp).

          It suggests that SARS coronaviruses could herald a "new era of genetic weapons," and noted that they can be "artificially manipulated into an emerging human ­disease virus, then weaponized and unleashed in a way never seen before."
          The chairmen of the British and Australian foreign affairs and intelligence committees, Tom ­Tugendhat and James Paterson, say the document raises major concerns about China’s lack of transparency over the origins of COVID-19.
          The Chinese-language paper, titled The Unnatural Origin of SARS and New Species of Man-Made Viruses as Genetic Bioweapons, outlines China’s progress in the research field of biowarfare.

          “Following developments in other scientific fields, there have been major advances in the delivery of biological agents,” it states.

          “For example, the new-found ability to freeze-dry micro-organisms has made it possible to store biological agents and aerosolise them during attacks.”

          Ten of the authors are scientists and weapons experts affiliated with the Air Force Medical ­University in Xi’an, ranked “very high-risk” for its level of defence research, including its work on medical and psychological sciences, according to the Australian Strategic Policy Institute’s ­Defence Universities Tracker.

          The Air Force Medical University, also known as the Fourth Medical University, was placed under the command of the PLA under President Xi Jinping’s military reforms in 2017. The editor-in-chief of the paper, Xu Dezhong, reported to the top leadership of the Chinese Military Commission and Ministry of Health during the SARS epidemic of 2003, briefing them 24 times and preparing three reports, according to his online ­biography. -The Australian





          The editor-in-chief of the paper, Xu Dezhong, reported to the top leadership of the Chinese Military Commission and Ministry of Health during the SARS epidemic of 2003. (via The Australian)


          "We were able to verify its ­authenticity as a document authored by the particular PLA ­researchers and scientists," according to Robert Potter, a digital forensics specialist who has worked for the US, Australian and Canadian governments - and has previously analyzed leaked Chinese government documents, according to the report. "We were able to locate its genesis on the Chinese internet."

          Former US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and his chief China adviser, Miles Yu, referenced the document in a February op-ed in the Wall Street Journal, writing that "A 2015 PLA study treated the 2003 SARS coronavirus outbreak as a ‘contemporary genetic weapon’ launched by foreign forces."

          And according to Peter Jennings, executive director of the Australian Strategic Policy Institute, "There is no clear distinction for research capability because whether it’s used offensively or defensively is not a decision these scientists would take," adding "If you are building skills ostensibly to protect your military from a biological attack, you’re at the same time giving your military a capacity to use these weapons ­offensively. You can’t separate the two."
          The study also examines the optimum conditions under which to release a bioweapon. “Bioweapon attacks are best conducted during dawn, dusk, night or cloudy weather because intense sunlight can damage the pathogens,” it states. “Biological agents should be released during dry weather. Rain or snow can cause the aerosol particles to precipitate.

          “A stable wind direction is ­desirable so that the aerosol can float into the target area.”

          Among the most bizarre claims by the military scientists is their theory that SARS-CoV-1, the virus that caused the SARS epidemic of 2003, was a man-made bioweapon, deliberately unleashed on China by “terrorists”. -The Australian


          News of the document follows a May 3 report that the Wuhan Institute of Virology was working with the Chinese government in a team which comprised five military and civil experts, "who conducted research at WIV labs, military labs, and other civil labs leading to “the discovery of animal pathogens [biological agents that causes disease] in wild animals," according to the Epoch Times.

          And as we noted in March, the US National Institutes of Health (NIH) - headed by Dr. Anthony Fauci, "had funded a number of projects that involved WIV scientists, including much of the Wuhan lab's work with bat coronaviruses."

          In 2017, Fauci's agency resumed funding a controversial grant to genetically modify bat coronaviruses in Wuhan, China without the approval of a government oversight body, according to the Daily Caller. For context, in 2014, the Obama administration temporarily suspended federal funding for gain-of-function research on bat coronaviruses. Four months prior to that decision, the NIH effectively shifted this research to the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) via a grant to nonprofit group EcoHealth Alliance, headed by Peter Daszak.

          The NIH's first $666,442 installment of EcoHealth's $3.7 million grant was paid in June 2014, with similar annual payments through May 2019 under the "Understanding The Risk Of Bat Coronavirus Emergence" project.

          Notably, the WIV "had openly participated in gain-of-function research in partnership with U.S. universities and institutions" for years under the leadership of Dr. Shi 'Batwoman' Zhengli, according to the Washington Post's Josh Rogin.

          So now we have a 2015 document from the Chinese military describing using COVID as a bioweapon - four years before the COVID-19 pandemic breaks out just miles away from a Chinese lab working to make bat COVID more transmissible to humans, and you're a conspiracy theorist peddling 'debunked lies' if you think they might be related.

          And for those who say 'COVID-19 couldn't be man-made because a laboratory-created virus would have tell-tale signs of manipulation' - au contraire. As Nicholas Wade noted three days ago in the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, "newer methods, called “no-see-um” or “seamless” approaches, leave no defining marks. Nor do other methods for manipulating viruses such as serial passage, the repeated transfer of viruses from one culture of cells to another. If a virus has been manipulated, whether with a seamless method or by serial passage, there is no way of knowing that this is the case. "

          It's as if the painfully obvious answer was right in front of us, only to be shrouded in propaganda by China-friendly politicians, big tech, and news outlets running cover for what should be the easiest game of connect-the-dots on the planet. Luckily, what was taboo as recently as a year ago will soon be exposed for the world to see, thanks to The Bulletin Of Atomic Scientists which earlier this week dared to open The Wuhan Virus "Pandora's Box"...


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          Now who coulda predicted that? Oh, right, that's what intelligent people were saying a year or more ago and getting labeled conspiracy theorists for because the media thought it was a Trump thing.
          Last edited by Gondwanaland; 05-08-2021, 08:36 PM.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Teallaura View Post

            I think it's just the opposite - they caused a whole planet full of people monetary and physical injury, almost to a person and literally so in the most litigious country in the world - the US. No one is going to just change the channel and forget - and as the panic subsides anger will replace fear. Politicians can face that wrath alone or grab a proverbial pitchfork and lead the mob. I'm betting on the latter
            The big corporations over here cover up a lot of it, and the average US citizen wants to keep their goods as cheap as possible, especially when the economy is as bad as it is. China is one of the most prolific importers of cheap goods. I foresee a lot of people willing to just let it slide to keep things from becoming more unstable than they are right now.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post
              Ah, nothing to see here, nosiree, just CCP China's own military documents planning to use SARS coronaviruses as a weapon to overwhelm enemy medical systems and make them collapse......



              Now who coulda predicted that? Oh, right, that's what intelligent people were saying a year or more ago and getting labeled conspiracy theorists for because the media thought it was a Trump thing.
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              • #22
                Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post

                Bump
                For just saying Fauci was too dismissive of the idea as "circular reasoning" got me labelled all kinds of things back when all of this started.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post

                  The big corporations over here cover up a lot of it, and the average US citizen wants to keep their goods as cheap as possible, especially when the economy is as bad as it is. China is one of the most prolific importers of cheap goods. I foresee a lot of people willing to just let it slide to keep things from becoming more unstable than they are right now.
                  I think this will get swept under the rug because most folks can't handle these types of revelations. Conspiracy of this magnitude is extremely disturbing to most folks. The idea all this started from natural and accidental causes is the narrative that was initially pushed by trusted technocratic authorities and that's the narrative that's the most safe and comfortable to accept.
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                  • #24
                    The Chinese government needs their mandate from heaven revoked(referring to what they believed caused dynasty changes, I know, don't explain the joke). How can they oppress over a billion people and get away with it?
                    If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by seanD View Post

                      I think this will get swept under the rug because most folks can't handle these types of revelations. Conspiracy of this magnitude is extremely disturbing to most folks. The idea all this started from natural and accidental causes is the narrative that was initially pushed by trusted technocratic authorities and that's the narrative that's the most safe and comfortable to accept.
                      That would frankly not surprise me. Between people not wanting to accept this, and the..... links.... of our current president with Biden, to the many companies that rely on China, I suspect this will never see any consequences meted out to China, and likely by many continue to be declared a conspiracy theory.

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                      • #26
                        Guys, name one major piece of legislation other than the stimulus that the administration has signed into law?

                        With a razor thin majority in the House and parity in the Senate a failure of the Democrats to get anything substantial out in the honeymoon period is a giant red flag that they are in a seriously comprised position.

                        And one likely to worsen given the pressure from the states.

                        You guys are forgetting that God so often uses weakness to demonstrate His strength.
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
                          Guys, name one major piece of legislation other than the stimulus that the administration has signed into law?

                          With a razor thin majority in the House and parity in the Senate a failure of the Democrats to get anything substantial out in the honeymoon period is a giant red flag that they are in a seriously comprised position.

                          And one likely to worsen given the pressure from the states.

                          You guys are forgetting that God so often uses weakness to demonstrate His strength.
                          My concern has nothing to do with the efficacy of the current administrations ability to pass legislation, and more to do with the fact that China has much of the Western world in its pocket. Either directly, like Disney the NBA, Blizzard etc,, or indirectly by exporting cheap goods.

                          What God can or can't do is irrelevant to what I think is likely to happen. A large part of why I say that is because I am not the kind to say I think I know what God is going to do.

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                          • #28
                            China doesn't care about the lives of it's own people much less give a crap what happens to people outside of it's borders. COVID showed us this, as did the rocket reentry this weekend. China is launching a series of rockets to build their new space station. Rather than making the last stage intentionally fall into the ocean, they have been allowing it to enter orbit and then just fall back to earth with no plan whatsoever. The one this weekend landed in the Indian ocean, but it could have hit anywhere along it's decaying orbit, including New York City or other populated areas. And China just blew it off and shrugged their shoulders. And this happened before. In May 2020 debris from one of their rockets landed in a village in South Africa. Thankfully no one was injured. And they have around 10 more launches to go.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post

                              My concern has nothing to do with the efficacy of the current administrations ability to pass legislation, and more to do with the fact that China has much of the Western world in its pocket. Either directly, like Disney the NBA, Blizzard etc,, or indirectly by exporting cheap goods.

                              What God can or can't do is irrelevant to what I think is likely to happen. A large part of why I say that is because I am not the kind to say I think I know what God is going to do.
                              Except China isn't doing as well as you seem to think - far from it. A lot of Potempkin and increasingly less of the fundamentals. Literally the only thing keeping money in China is the exchange cap and even that may be weakening as Chinese wealthy become even more fearful of their government.
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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Teallaura View Post

                                Except China isn't doing as well as you seem to think - far from it. A lot of Potempkin and increasingly less of the fundamentals. Literally the only thing keeping money in China is the exchange cap and even that may be weakening as Chinese wealthy become even more fearful of their government.
                                As long as they are providing cheap labor, cheap goods, and money they are likely not going to have anyone stand up to them. If you can get at least two of those mostly gone and then we might see some change. Right now everyone is doing bad as far their economies, China doing bad there along with the rest of the world doesn't impact enough of all three categories to do much as far as I can tell.

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