Great article. Shows many liberals ignore science when it doesn't fit their political worldview:
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COVID is still claiming about 700 people per day in the US - the same as in last October, just before the start of the resurgence that led to deaths of 3,000 per day. The vaccination program isn't complete. Caution seems merited.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
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Originally posted by Roy View PostCOVID is still claiming about 700 people per day in the US - the same as in last October, just before the start of the resurgence that led to deaths of 3,000 per day. The vaccination program isn't complete. Caution seems merited.
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Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
We know more now than we did then. Shouldn't we follow the science on things like re-opening schools?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Roy View PostCOVID is still claiming about 700 people per day in the US - the same as in last October, just before the start of the resurgence that led to deaths of 3,000 per day. The vaccination program isn't complete. Caution seems merited.
India is completely out of control, with a population of over 1 billion, that is a sizable breeding ground for vaccine savvy mutants.
I agree, there is indeed still ample reason for continued caution, even with the significant progress being made.
My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
Children still carry it and are thus vulnerable and continue to provide vectors for mutation and spread, and we don't know exactly how long till they can get vaccinated. Breakthrough cases happen ( poeple still get sick even fully vaccinated, people still die even fully vaccinated - its just 1/10,000 instead of 1 or 2 in 100). 30% of eligable Americans are reluctant to get the vaccine, making herd immunity a goal we likely can't reach without forcing people to get vaccinated, which means the virus will still circulate, kill 1 to 2% of those unvaccinated poeple and continuing to have a capacity to mutate.
India is completely out of control, with a population of over 1 billion, that is a sizable breeding ground for vaccine savvy mutants.
I agree, there is indeed still ample reason for continued caution, even with the significant progress being made.
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Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
We know more now than we did then. Shouldn't we follow the science on things like re-opening schools?My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
As far as I can tell, people are following the science. Opening the schools will be a lot easier once we know the vaccines are safe for children. How safe schools are depends a lot on the schools ability to meet the 'safe' guidelines and the infection rate in whatever area they are in. My guess is we'll see most schools open in the fall - the teachers should all be vaccinated, even the teenagers perhaps, which just leaves the young ones. And if we give the right incintives (like - hey - you want your kid back in school this fall ???) maybe we can get some non-insignificant portion of the adults that are still reluctant to get the shot to change their minds.
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Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
What about the fact that the science says it's safe to re-open schools?My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
Actually you are not. Science says it is safe to re-open schools. Not "It will be safe later"
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/2021...-but-will-they
And it will be safer later: More people with two shots, even teenagers with two shots. Kids aren't normally hurt by covid, but they still get it and spread it. The situation is one that needs to be evaluated area by area. If the area is Low vaccination/high spread - not yet. If it's High vaccination/low spread - sure. Though at this point there are logistical issues to opening the doors when many school years will end within 2 - 3 weeks.
This is another risk/benefit scenario. And as Cuomo knows, you get that wrong, it can be a disaster.Last edited by oxmixmudd; 05-07-2021, 01:22 PM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
?? what about it. You talking today or in the fall. In the fall - sure. Today, still too many people not vaccinated. If ALL teachers in a district are 2 shots in, and protocols are followed, those schools could reopen before the end of the school year (it is May already though)
Highly anticipated new guidance from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says schools don’t need to wait for staff to be vaccinated to reopen. Students should return full-time where spread is low or moderate, and with regular testing, the CDC says schools can open for some in-person instruction even when community spread is high.
Masks and other safety measures remain critical, the CDC and the U.S. Department of Education said Friday. But it’s important to get schools open wherever possible to limit the effects of the pandemic on students whose educations have been disrupted, officials said.
“This pandemic has led to increased absences, fewer learning opportunities for students, more kids going hungry and more social isolation,” said Donna Harris-Aikens, an education department official. “For these reasons and more, we need to get kids back in the classroom.”
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
It is not "IT is safe", it is "it is safe IF ...".
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/2021...-but-will-they
And it will be safer later: More people with two shots, even teenagers with two shots. Kids aren't normally hurt by covid, but they still get it and spread it. The situation is one that needs to be evaluated area by area. If the area is Low vaccination/high spread - not yet. If it's High vaccination/low spread - sure. Though at this point there are logistical issues to opening the doors when many school years will end within 2 - 3 weeks.
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Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
Besides. The article I posted (that obviously you haven't read) gives explicit examples of liberals ignoring science.Last edited by oxmixmudd; 05-07-2021, 01:30 PM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
And how is it 'obvious I have not read it'? Because I don't necessarily buy into every opinion expressed within it? Because I don't think your interpretation of the CDC guidance on reopening schools is balancing the entire text of its recommendation? And what does 'explicit examples of liberals ignoring science' mean. I can give you examples of nearly any group you want to name ignoring science.
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Originally posted by Ignorant Roy View PostCOVID is still claiming about 700 people per day in the US - the same as in last October, just before the start of the resurgence that led to deaths of 3,000 per day. The vaccination program isn't complete. Caution seems merited.To put things in context, during the mildest flu season in the last eight years, there were 24 million cases, according to the Centers for Disease Control, and approximately 447,000 daily cases during its peak week. By comparison, we’re averaging 49,641 daily COVID cases. That same mild flu season resulted in 280,000 hospitalizations. By comparison, current COVID hospitalizations as of May 1 are 34,905.
Let me be clear: COVID is not the flu, and we should not downplay the risk among susceptible people. But for the millions of Americans who are immune and live where the cases are low, the public-health threat is now defanged and below seasonal-flu levels. Given the harm of social isolation, we need to abandon the goal of absolute risk elimination at all cost.
The case-fatality risk of COVID is also plummeting. That’s because a remarkable 83 percent of US seniors are now vaccinated and the virus has moved to younger, healthier people. For Americans under age 55, the case-fatality rate last month was approximately 6.5 per 10,000. Since we are now capturing as many as 1 in 4.5 infections with testing, the real-world case-fatality rate is 1 to 1.4 per 10,000, similar to influenza (1.3 per 10,000 in people under 50). And vaccines will likely provide at least some immunity against variants.
With far fewer susceptible people and a younger cohort, we’re dealing with a different risk level than even just a few months ago.
Despite this good news, Americans are being told variants and hesitancy will prevent “herd immunity.” Yet noticeably absent from their calculations is the contribution of natural immunity from prior infection or exposure. Dr. Anthony Fauci and Dr. Rochelle Walensky simply don’t talk about the percent of Americans they estimate have natural immunity. That omission creates a perception that the race to 70 to 85 percent immunity is more desperate, resulting in a prolonged timeline, talk of vaccine mandates and an imperative that young kids get the shot.
https://nypost.com/2021/05/04/dont-b...eat-is-ending/Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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