The cancel culture and its comparable historical antecedents

[CivilDiscourse]

Wait, "Jesus had little impact on the world?" Did she really say that? What planet does she live on?

She did. And, she has disagreed that Van Gogh (who also lived and died a "non entity") similarly had no impact on the art world. So apparently her reasoning is subjective. Not surprising given her feelings about religion.

[rogue06]

The four gospel writers cannot even agree when the interrogation with Pilate took place [before or after Passover] nor who actually went to the tomb. The two birth narratives also contradict one another by about ten years.

Just a quick note that the accounts at who was at the tomb are not contradictory if you consider that these were two different accounts which were emphasizing different things as often happens. Michael Licona's Why are There Differences in the Gospels? actually covers this quite nicely.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

Why not?

Because your statement that Van Gogh "had very little impact on the art world. He lived and died a nonentity" is erroneous

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

smiley psychologist.gifFascinating. Please tell me more.

Feel free to start a thread if you want an exchange on the history of your religion.

[CivilDiscourse]

Because your statement that Van Gogh "had very little impact on the art world. He lived and died a nonentity" is erroneous

How exactly? I would say selling 1 painting during your lifetime makes you a non-entity.

Wait...Are you saying that the fact that someone not having an immediate impact during life doesn't mean that they can still have an impact on the world?

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

Wait, "Jesus had little impact on the world?" Did she really say that? What planet does she live on?

Jesus had no impact on the world. The first century Galilean Jew lived and died a nonentity. Justus of Tiberias [the clue to his whereabouts is in his title] never mentions him. One would have thought that given all the amazing events recounted in the gospels that someone, somewhere in either Judaea or Galilee might have left a written record.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

How exactly? I would say selling 1 painting during your lifetime makes you a non-entity.

Wait...Are you saying that the fact that someone not having an immediate impact during life doesn't mean that they can still have an impact on the world?

From the website of the Van Gogh Museum [the Museum is in Amsterdam]

We don’t know exactly how many paintings Van Gogh sold during this lifetime, but in any case, it was more than a couple. Vincent’s first commission was from his uncle Cor. He was an art dealer and wanted to help his nephew on his way, so he ordered 19 cityscapes of The Hague.

Vincent sold his first painting to the Parisian paint and art dealer Julien Tanguy, and his brother Theo successfully sold another work to a gallery in London. The Red Vineyard, which Vincent painted in 1888, was bought by Anna Boch, the sister of Vincent’s friend Eugène Boch.

Van Gogh often traded work with other artists – in his younger years, often in exchange for some food or drawing and painting supplies. In this sense, Vincent actually ‘sold’ quite a lot of work during his lifetime.




You really do need to check your facts. Once again you have made the proverbial of yourself

[oxmixmudd]

Jesus had no impact on the world. The first century Galilean Jew lived and died a nonentity. Justus of Tiberias [the clue to his whereabouts is in his title] never mentions him. One would have thought that given all the amazing events recounted in the gospels that someone, somewhere in either Judaea or Galilee might have left a written record.

That's a little off the reservation there Hypatia. I'm not even going to ask how you think this thing called Christianity got started, but I doubt there are many that with a straight face could try to claim Jesus of Nazareth "Had no impact on the world'.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

That's a little off the reservation there Hypatia. I'm not even going to ask how you think this thing called Christianity got started, but I doubt there are many that with a straight face could try to claim Jesus of Nazareth "Had no impact on the world'.

The man himself had no impact on the world. Read up on the history of your religion.

[Cow Poke]

You really do need to check your facts. Once again you have made the proverbial of yourself

The proverbial.....

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

She did. And, she has disagreed that Van Gogh (who also lived and died a "non entity") similarly had no impact on the art world. So apparently her reasoning is subjective. Not surprising given her feelings about religion.

Have you got a red face yet?

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

The proverbial.....

He did not check his facts.

[rogue06]

Jesus had no impact on the world. The first century Galilean Jew lived and died a nonentity. Justus of Tiberias [the clue to his whereabouts is in his title] never mentions him. One would have thought that given all the amazing events recounted in the gospels that someone, somewhere in either Judaea or Galilee might have left a written record.

Yeah. If only somebody.

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So bored that you resorted to blatant trolling?

[rogue06]

The man himself had no impact on the world. Read up on the history of your religion.

So Socrates also had no impact on the world according to you.

[CivilDiscourse]

From the website of the Van Gogh Museum [the Museum is in Amsterdam]

We don’t know exactly how many paintings Van Gogh sold during this lifetime, but in any case, it was more than a couple. Vincent’s first commission was from his uncle Cor. He was an art dealer and wanted to help his nephew on his way, so he ordered 19 cityscapes of The Hague.

Vincent sold his first painting to the Parisian paint and art dealer Julien Tanguy, and his brother Theo successfully sold another work to a gallery in London. The Red Vineyard, which Vincent painted in 1888, was bought by Anna Boch, the sister of Vincent’s friend Eugène Boch.

Van Gogh often traded work with other artists – in his younger years, often in exchange for some food or drawing and painting supplies. In this sense, Vincent actually ‘sold’ quite a lot of work during his lifetime.


You really do need to check your facts. Once again you have made the proverbial of yourself

Oh no, I repeated folklore....:) Based on the fact that only one painting was ever offically sold.

Source: https://www.thoughtco.com/van-gogh-sold-only-one-painting-4050008

Although lore has it that the post-Impressionist painter, Vincent van Gogh (1853-1890), sold only one painting during his lifetime, different theories exist. The one painting commonly thought to have been sold is The Red Vineyard at Arles (The Vigne Rouge), now located at the Pushkin Museum of Fine Arts in Moscow. However, some sources posit that different paintings sold first, and that other paintings and drawings were sold or bartered in addition to The Red Vineyard at Arles. However, it is true that The Red Vineyard at Arles is the only painting soldduring van Gogh's lifetime the name of which we actually know, and that was "officially" recorded and acknowledged by the art world, and hence the lore persists.

Of course, bearing in mind that van Gogh didn't start painting until he was twenty-seven years old, and died when he was thirty-seven, it would not be unremarkable that he did not sell many. Furthermore, the paintings that were to become famous were the ones produced after he went to Arles, France in 1888, only two years before he died. What is remarkable is that just a few decades after his death, his art would become well-known worldwide and that he would eventually become one of the most famous artists ever.

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