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  • #61
    Originally posted by Sparko View Post

    the opposite of "canceling" you (which would be to ban you).

    carry on.
    That might not reflect well on you though.
    "It ain't necessarily so
    The things that you're liable
    To read in the Bible
    It ain't necessarily so
    ."

    Sportin' Life
    Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

      I expressed more than that, specifically:

      The Bible provides clear guidelines about proper behavior and has a very rigidly defined procedure for administrating discipline.
      Which specific part[s] of the Bible do you have in mind?

      Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
      The goal is not to "cancel" the person but give him multiple opportunities to repent.
      Not in some parts of the Bible. In those sections the "cancel" is death.

      Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
      "Cancel culture", on the other hand, is vague, has no defined procedure, and is purely vindictive in nature.
      Why do you therefore think that both sides of the political divide engage in it? Would it not be better to sit down and talk?
      "It ain't necessarily so
      The things that you're liable
      To read in the Bible
      It ain't necessarily so
      ."

      Sportin' Life
      Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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      • #63
        Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post

        After all, the reason for Socrates trial was those in power essentially got fed up with his needling of people,

        "It ain't necessarily so
        The things that you're liable
        To read in the Bible
        It ain't necessarily so
        ."

        Sportin' Life
        Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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        • #64
          Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
          Never said it wasn't.

          Are you equating the games that H_A indulges in with Christ's methods?
          Did he have a method?
          "It ain't necessarily so
          The things that you're liable
          To read in the Bible
          It ain't necessarily so
          ."

          Sportin' Life
          Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

            OR.....

            Rule #1 - I always know best and am never wrong
            Rule #2 - If you ever think I'm wrong, see Rule #1
            Writing about yourself?
            "It ain't necessarily so
            The things that you're liable
            To read in the Bible
            It ain't necessarily so
            ."

            Sportin' Life
            Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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            • #66
              Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socrat...esuppositions.

              Source: above

              The Socratic method (also known as method of Elenchus, elenctic method, or Socratic debate) is a form of cooperative argumentative dialogue between individuals, based on asking and answering questions to stimulate critical thinking and to draw out ideas and underlying presuppositions.

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              The simple fact is that Civil Discourse came up with some ideas but had not thought through how those might be implemented when he wrote this:

              "It takes people fighting against the pressure to cancel, pressure to fire, pressure to boycott, companies standing against the boycotts, etc. It takes people willing to be willing to "be the bad guy" in the eyes of many. And, it takes people willing to look at the behavior and recognize that it's wrong, and be willing to not give in".

              That sounds very good but when he was asked how that might be achieved he considered that I was engaging in "20-questions", which is somewhat of an exaggerations as my reply contained two opinions and only three questions [two contained in one sentence].

              The questions were "On both sides presumably?

              And:

              "Furthermore who deems which specific "cancellations" to be wrong; and what criteria should be applied to come to that decision?"

              I think it was probably those last two that caused his vexation!
              "It ain't necessarily so
              The things that you're liable
              To read in the Bible
              It ain't necessarily so
              ."

              Sportin' Life
              Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                Which specific part[s] of the Bible do you have in mind?
                For moral guidance, the Ten Commandments is a good place to start.

                For church discipline:

                Scripture Verse: Matthew 18

                If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.

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                Scripture Verse: 1 Corinthians 5

                I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one. For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside. 'Purge the evil person from among you.'

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                Scripture Verse: 2 Thessalonians 3

                If anyone does not obey what we say in this letter, take note of that person, and have nothing to do with him, that he may be ashamed. Do not regard him as an enemy, but warn him as a brother.

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                Scripture Verse: 1 Timothy 5

                Do not admit a charge against an elder except on the evidence of two or three witnesses. As for those who persist in sin, rebuke them in the presence of all, so that the rest may stand in fear.

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                Scripture Verse: 2 Corinthians 2

                Now if anyone has caused pain, he has caused it not to me, but in some measure—not to put it too severely—to all of you. For such a one, this punishment by the majority is enough, so you should rather turn to forgive and comfort him, or he may be overwhelmed by excessive sorrow. So I beg you to reaffirm your love for him.

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                As I said, this is nothing like the modern notion of "cancel culture", and anybody who claims there is a meaningful parallel is ignorant of what the Bible actually teaches, even if he adds the prefix "Dr." to his title.
                Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                Than a fool in the eyes of God


                From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                  Writing about yourself?
                  Ah, the Pee Herman response!
                  The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                    Did he have a method?
                    At least seven.

                    1. Parables. Jesus spoke often using parables, which are stories that illustrate an important truth. He would often use the life situations of the people He spoke to in order to create a story that would have a big impact on them. The main distinction with parables is that the summary of the story should demonstrate the important truth that needs to be shared. For examples, see Luke 10 and 15.

                    2. Object Lessons. Jesus used object lessons all the time. Sometimes he would use actual objects, and sometimes he would act out the object lesson. The main goal with an object lesson is to share an important truth visually. For examples of different types of object lessons, see Matt 19, Mark 12, John 4, and John 13.

                    3. Dialogue. Jesus would often engage religious leaders in dialogue, which simply means to engage in the asking and answering of questions. The skill that Jesus had was to look beyond the surface to determine the real question that someone was trying to ask him, then he would help the learner find the answer. For examples, see John 2 and 3.

                    4. Comparisons. Jesus often taught using comparisons. These comparisons often took the form of parables, object lessons, similes, and metaphors. By comparing two different things, Jesus would make a strong point to His audiences. For examples, see Matt 5 and 13.

                    5. Poetry. Poetry was a fairly important part of Jewish culture in Jesus’ day. Within Jewish poetry during this era, the focus and structure of the poetry was focused on the relationship between successive lines. Jesus would restate lines in order to bring out the emphasis of the point. For examples, see Matt 7 and Luke 6.

                    6. Hyperbole. Jesus would occasionally use hyperbole, or overstatement, in order to make His point. While we sometimes have difficulty determining when Jesus was using hyperbole, one clear example can be found in Matthew 7.

                    7. Puns. Who knew? Jesus would sometimes use puns when he taught others. Often, the English translations of the Bible are not able to bring out this distinctive, because Jesus had a mastery of the Aramaic language (Jesus’ mother tongue) that He would use to not only demonstrate His point, but do so in a funny way, using a “play on words.” Such a usage of humor to communicate an important truth can only be used if someone has a mastery of the audience’s language. For an example of puns, see Matthew 23:24 and look at His usage of the Aramaic words for gnat (galma) and camel (gamla).

                    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                      Did he have a method?
                      Primarily two -- through telling a story and using what we call "teachable moments." But he employed a number of different techniques. For instance, this source list nine of them


                      ETA: I see that me older little twin brudder from anudder mudder already addressed this.

                      I'm always still in trouble again

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                        Did he have a method?
                        You could legitimately called ignorant for that statement. Anyone who has read the gospels would know at the very least that Jesus taught using parables. And the laughing emoticon does give credence to the accusation you mock Chriimstian faith - it comes across as laughing at the idea Jesus was of a sufficient repectable intellectual stature to have had a method of teaching.
                        Last edited by oxmixmudd; 05-07-2021, 08:07 AM.
                        My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

                        If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

                        This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                          For moral guidance, the Ten Commandments is a good place to start.
                          What about other punishments in the Old Testament? Are you dismissing those? Or including them?

                          "It ain't necessarily so
                          The things that you're liable
                          To read in the Bible
                          It ain't necessarily so
                          ."

                          Sportin' Life
                          Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post

                            You could legitimately called ignorant for that statement. Anyone who has read the gospels would know at the very least that Jesus taught using parables.
                            For someone who has played the "Bible Trivia Game" in order to prove she knew more about the bible (including original wording and translations), it seems a rather odd question to ask.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post

                              You could legitimately called ignorant for that statement. Anyone who has read the gospels would know at the very least that Jesus taught using parables.
                              It was a joke hence the emoticon. Do lighten up, please.

                              However, his "method" was not unique to himself.
                              "It ain't necessarily so
                              The things that you're liable
                              To read in the Bible
                              It ain't necessarily so
                              ."

                              Sportin' Life
                              Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                                But he employed a number of different techniques. For instance, this source list nine of them
                                Wouldn't it be helpful if we had some extraneous corroborative contemporary sources in support of those gospel accounts?

                                Parables were a form of instructive teaching and were commonly used. However, if indeed Jesus was primarily someone teaching morals it would be expected that he would have shown a preference for imaginative and concise comments as are found in the Sayings of the Fathers in the Mishnah.


                                "It ain't necessarily so
                                The things that you're liable
                                To read in the Bible
                                It ain't necessarily so
                                ."

                                Sportin' Life
                                Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

                                Comment

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