I didn't think the joke was racist--a joke referencing a race doesn't make it racist. I thought it was mildly amusing.
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Originally posted by Zymologist View PostI didn't think the joke was racist--a joke referencing a race doesn't make it racist. I thought it was mildly amusing."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
What is racist about that joke? It's not funny in the slightest, but I don't see how it's racist. It doesn't imply anything offensive about any groups.
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Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post
To me the issue isn't whether or not it is or isn't racist, but that she considers it racist and still decided to use it. I mean, it someone says they are against racism, and then goes and tells a joke they themselves consider to be racist, it comes across wrong.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostAgain, and nobody can accuse me of be her biggest fan, she said it was racist but had been altered. Now while I doubt that she would ever afford any of us the same courtesy, at least for me it is clear that she means that it was altered so it was no longer racist.
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
What is racist about that joke? It's not funny in the slightest, but I don't see how it's racist. It doesn't imply anything offensive about any groups.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by mossrose View PostIt does assume that only a black president would wear a suit. That's how I read it."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
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Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post
To me the issue isn't whether or not it is or isn't racist, but that she considers it racist and still decided to use it. I mean, it someone says they are against racism, and then goes and tells a joke they themselves consider to be racist, it comes across wrong.
The joke had initially been racist because its original punchline had played to racial stereotypes.
However, by changing that punchline the joke was instead turned on its head and directed against the sort of people who think in such racist stereotypes."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
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Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
Patrick MeehanMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
Thats ok. The dems refused to accept his resignation for racial slurs.
My question to you is what is wrong about holding Democrats to the standards they demand of others?
Starlight has proven once again he knows nothing about America her politics, history etc.Last edited by RumTumTugger; 05-05-2021, 01:51 PM.
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Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post
To me the issue isn't whether or not it is or isn't racist, but that she considers it racist and still decided to use it. I mean, it someone says they are against racism, and then goes and tells a joke they themselves consider to be racist, it comes across wrong.
I've heard Jews tell jokes about the Holocaust. Does that make those Jews anti-Semites?
Trying to decide where humour becomes offensive is incredibly difficult and I suspect comes down to personal taste For myself, humour has to have an element of wit. Scatology, offensive language for its own sake, and racial stereotypes simply as "shock" tactics do not work for me, although I appreciate that the Archie Bunkers or James Watkins [of 8chan fame] of the world might find such humour hilarious.
Some people would argue that nothing should be considered off limits for humour. I am not entirely sure I agree with that but it would depend on the style and quality of the humour, so again it comes down to personal preferences.
Many Christians were highly offended by The Life of Brian, other Christians found it hilarious.
However, sometimes humour and the intent behind it backfires.
The Archie Bunker character of the American sit-com was based on a British character [Alf Garnett] and the British series was written by Johnny Speight. The real irony behind that original British series was that Speight wrote the character of Alf as a parody i.e. an ignorant, working class, jingoistic, and racist bigot. However, unfortunately the satire was too subtle and many instead saw Alf as a man representing, and speaking for, them and their views.
Last edited by Hypatia_Alexandria; 05-05-2021, 01:11 PM."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
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Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
That is an interesting comment. Is humour per se automatically associated with racism or indeed any other offensive attitude?
I've heard Jews tell jokes about the Holocaust. Does that make those Jews anti-Semites?
There are some things that are simply in poor taste, and this may well be related to culture.
Do you think, in the US with our history of a troubled racist past, and the meaning of "Uncle Tom", that it's appropriate in our day for ANYBODY to call a black man "Uncle Tim"?
(Unless, of course, his name is Tim and he's their uncle)
The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
The Archie Bunker character of the American sit-com was based on a British character [Alf Garnett] and the British series was written by Johnny Speight. The real irony behind that original British series was that Speight wrote the character of Alf as a parody i.e. an ignorant, working class, jingoistic, and racist bigot. However, unfortunately the satire was too subtle and many instead saw Alf as a man representing, and speaking for, them and their views.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
Ya know, the fact that you know somebody who did something doesn't make that something right.
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThere are some things that are simply in poor taste, and this may well be related to culture.
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostDo you think, in the US with our history of a troubled racist past, and the meaning of "Uncle Tom", that it's appropriate in our day for ANYBODY to call a black man "Uncle Tim"?
(Unless, of course, his name is Tim and he's their uncle)
However, others would, I suspect argue that such language was merely an exemplar of what is constituted as the right to free speech.
"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
Re the Twitter trend of "Uncle Tim" I would agree it was extremely inappropriate language with distasteful racial connotations.
However, others would, I suspect argue that such language was merely an exemplar of what is constituted as the right to free speech.
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