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Texas Democrat Resigns after Calling Tim Scott an ‘Oreo’

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  • #31
    I didn't think the joke was racist--a joke referencing a race doesn't make it racist. I thought it was mildly amusing.
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    • #32
      Originally posted by Zymologist View Post
      I didn't think the joke was racist--a joke referencing a race doesn't make it racist. I thought it was mildly amusing.
      Yeah, that's why I pushed back. We don't need to fall into the trap of crying racism anytime somebody we disagree with mentions race. That happens far too often as is.
      "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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      • #33
        Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post

        What is racist about that joke? It's not funny in the slightest, but I don't see how it's racist. It doesn't imply anything offensive about any groups.
        To me the issue isn't whether or not it is or isn't racist, but that she considers it racist and still decided to use it. I mean, it someone says they are against racism, and then goes and tells a joke they themselves consider to be racist, it comes across wrong.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post

          To me the issue isn't whether or not it is or isn't racist, but that she considers it racist and still decided to use it. I mean, it someone says they are against racism, and then goes and tells a joke they themselves consider to be racist, it comes across wrong.
          Again, and nobody can accuse me of be her biggest fan, she said it was racist but had been altered. Now while I doubt that she would ever afford any of us the same courtesy, at least for me it is clear that she means that it was altered so it was no longer racist.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
            Again, and nobody can accuse me of be her biggest fan, she said it was racist but had been altered. Now while I doubt that she would ever afford any of us the same courtesy, at least for me it is clear that she means that it was altered so it was no longer racist.
            While that is definitely possible, I can very easily see how that wouldn't be noticed.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post

              What is racist about that joke? It's not funny in the slightest, but I don't see how it's racist. It doesn't imply anything offensive about any groups.
              Absolutely totally not necessary, and opens the door to more racism.
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              • #37
                Originally posted by mossrose View Post
                It does assume that only a black president would wear a suit. That's how I read it.
                Note the date I cited [2008]. Prior to that a joke playing to racial stereotypes was turned on its head by simply changing the answer because for the first time in its history, the USA had a black man as its President.
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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post

                  To me the issue isn't whether or not it is or isn't racist, but that she considers it racist and still decided to use it. I mean, it someone says they are against racism, and then goes and tells a joke they themselves consider to be racist, it comes across wrong.
                  See my reply to mossrose.

                  The joke had initially been racist because its original punchline had played to racial stereotypes.

                  However, by changing that punchline the joke was instead turned on its head and directed against the sort of people who think in such racist stereotypes.
                  "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful" Attrib. Seneca 4 BCE - 65 CE

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post

                    Patrick Meehan
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                    Mockery is the argument of the mentally and/or emotionally challenged.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post

                      Thats ok. The dems refused to accept his resignation for racial slurs.

                      My question to you is what is wrong about holding Democrats to the standards they demand of others?
                      You have just seen proof that Starlight lives in Bizzaro world since what he has posted is completely opposite of what is true about American politics, It is the spineless Republicans that apologize even if they did nothing wrong and are pilloried day in and day out by the Democrats and their useful idiots in the MSM, no matter how sincere the apology even if the Republican did nothing wrong at all,. The Democrats on the other hand circle the wagons and refuse to make their compatriots live by the same rules they want to force the Republicans to . Kudos to Gary O'Conner for being the outlier of the Democrats normal MO. The reason this is news is that it is so unlike the Democrats to live by the standards they set for others.

                      Starlight has proven once again he knows nothing about America her politics, history etc.
                      Last edited by RumTumTugger; 05-05-2021, 01:51 PM.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post

                        To me the issue isn't whether or not it is or isn't racist, but that she considers it racist and still decided to use it. I mean, it someone says they are against racism, and then goes and tells a joke they themselves consider to be racist, it comes across wrong.
                        That is an interesting comment. Is humour per se automatically associated with racism or indeed any other offensive attitude?

                        I've heard Jews tell jokes about the Holocaust. Does that make those Jews anti-Semites?

                        Trying to decide where humour becomes offensive is incredibly difficult and I suspect comes down to personal taste For myself, humour has to have an element of wit. Scatology, offensive language for its own sake, and racial stereotypes simply as "shock" tactics do not work for me, although I appreciate that the Archie Bunkers or James Watkins [of 8chan fame] of the world might find such humour hilarious.

                        Some people would argue that nothing should be considered off limits for humour. I am not entirely sure I agree with that but it would depend on the style and quality of the humour, so again it comes down to personal preferences.

                        Many Christians were highly offended by The Life of Brian, other Christians found it hilarious.

                        However, sometimes humour and the intent behind it backfires.

                        The Archie Bunker character of the American sit-com was based on a British character [Alf Garnett] and the British series was written by Johnny Speight. The real irony behind that original British series was that Speight wrote the character of Alf as a parody i.e. an ignorant, working class, jingoistic, and racist bigot. However, unfortunately the satire was too subtle and many instead saw Alf as a man representing, and speaking for, them and their views.

                        Last edited by Hypatia_Alexandria; 05-05-2021, 01:11 PM.
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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                          That is an interesting comment. Is humour per se automatically associated with racism or indeed any other offensive attitude?

                          I've heard Jews tell jokes about the Holocaust. Does that make those Jews anti-Semites?
                          Ya know, the fact that you know somebody who did something doesn't make that something right.
                          There are some things that are simply in poor taste, and this may well be related to culture.

                          Do you think, in the US with our history of a troubled racist past, and the meaning of "Uncle Tom", that it's appropriate in our day for ANYBODY to call a black man "Uncle Tim"?

                          (Unless, of course, his name is Tim and he's their uncle)

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post



                            The Archie Bunker character of the American sit-com was based on a British character [Alf Garnett] and the British series was written by Johnny Speight. The real irony behind that original British series was that Speight wrote the character of Alf as a parody i.e. an ignorant, working class, jingoistic, and racist bigot. However, unfortunately the satire was too subtle and many instead saw Alf as a man representing, and speaking for, them and their views.
                            The same thing here as well, largely because you couldn't find a character on TV that wasn't espousing the liberal party line as gospel, so they glommed onto the only one who wasn't. I suspect it was basically the same in Great Britain.

                            I'm always still in trouble again

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                              Ya know, the fact that you know somebody who did something doesn't make that something right.
                              Hence my question. Does that make Jews who tell Holocaust jokes anti-Semites?

                              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                              There are some things that are simply in poor taste, and this may well be related to culture.
                              The notion of poor taste is again subjective. Hence while I consider that humour which depends entirely on the shock of foul language entirely for its own sake, or on scatology, to be in poor taste, not everyone would agree with me.

                              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                              Do you think, in the US with our history of a troubled racist past, and the meaning of "Uncle Tom", that it's appropriate in our day for ANYBODY to call a black man "Uncle Tim"?

                              (Unless, of course, his name is Tim and he's their uncle)
                              Re the Twitter trend of "Uncle Tim" I would agree it was extremely inappropriate language with distasteful racial connotations.

                              However, others would, I suspect argue that such language was merely an exemplar of what is constituted as the right to free speech.

                              "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful" Attrib. Seneca 4 BCE - 65 CE

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                                Re the Twitter trend of "Uncle Tim" I would agree it was extremely inappropriate language with distasteful racial connotations.

                                However, others would, I suspect argue that such language was merely an exemplar of what is constituted as the right to free speech.
                                Those are not mutually exclusive positions. Free speech can be extremely inappropriate language with distasteful racial connotations.

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