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  • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
    Indeed Rogue, it's you who doesn't seem worried about factual accuracy with your misquote of AOC here. Here is her actual quote:

    “I think that there's a lot of people more concerned about being precisely, factually, and semantically correct than about being morally right. And whenever I make a mistake, I say, ‘OK, this was clumsy.’ and then I restate what my point was.”

    She was expressing annoyance with nitpickers, not saying the truth didn't matter.

    However from all the falsehoods you peddle in this forum it's clear that the truth doesn't matter to you on almost any topic.
    It appears that the actual quote, according to CNN where it took place is this.

    If people want to really blow up one figure here or one word there, I would argue that they’re missing the forest for the trees. I think that there’s a lot of people more concerned about being precisely, factually, and semantically correct than about being morally right.


    It was in response to criticism about her "misstating some statistics about Pentagon spending" At that was where she stopped. At this point Anderson Cooper pressed her, saying "But being factually correct is important."

    Only then did she tack on the rest

    It’s absolutely important. And whenever I make a mistake. I say, “OK, this was clumsy.” and then I restate what my point was. But it’s— it’s not the same thing as— as the President lying about immigrants. It’s not the same thing, at all.


    CNN, which has largely been pretty friendly in their coverage of her, castigated this response. Chris Cillizza, CNN Politics Reporter and Editor-at-Large, declared "Here’s the thing: Being factually accurate and morally right isn’t an either/or situation. You can do both!"

    I'm always still in trouble again

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    • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
      You give a quote which agrees with what I said, but then claim I'm an Olympic class conclusion jumper? What is wrong with you?
      The quote makes it abundantly clear that it's highly unlikely that Hilary's parents would have heard anything at all about the not-yet famous mountain climber.
      You were making it sound downright plausible. What is wrong with you?
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      • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
        Anderson Cooper pressed her, saying "But being factually correct is important."

        It’s absolutely important. And whenever I make a mistake. I say, “OK, this was clumsy.” and then I restate what my point was. But it’s— it’s not the same thing as— as the President lying about immigrants. It’s not the same thing, at all.
        Do you agree that her saying being factually correct is "absolutely important" is quite different to the idea of her your meme that misquoted her was peddling as rejecting the idea of factual correctness?

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        • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
          The quote makes it abundantly clear that it's highly unlikely that Hilary's parents would have heard anything at all about the not-yet famous mountain climber.
          I don't think checking a few big newspapers is very convincing. What if she read a human interest story in a magazine?

          Their claim that she can't possibly have seen any article anywhere about a person who was famous, isn't very convincing. "We looked in half a dozen newspapers and didn't happen to see anything" isn't a very high level of evidence. But if you want to be extra-gullible and believe that if a thing wasn't in a few specific newspapers then it can't possibly have been anywhere in any publication or any magazine, fine, whatever.

          And your claim he was 'not-yet famous' isn't true. He was famous at that time.

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          • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
            I don't think checking a few big newspapers is very convincing......
            You're working too hard to try to make Hillary's typical lying reasonable in that one instance. She has a pattern of "telling big 'uns" that she thinks nobody is gonna fact-check.

            You convinced me that it was a "one-off", not a repeated claim - you should be happy with that.

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            • Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
              My best friend's older sister told her Hilary had been secretly arrested, tried for treason (and maybe murder), found guilty, and, at her own choice, hanged. All news media, including Fox, OANN, and Newsmax, are engaged in a cover-up of these facts. Any recent pictures or videos supposedly of Hil are actually faked.

              We're wondering where an otherwise intelligent lady finds and imbibes this sort of nuttery.
              No body buys it except Republicans that claim they do not anything about GAnon.
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              Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
              But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

              go with the flow the river knows . . .

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              • Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post

                No body buys it except Republicans that claim they do not anything about GAnon.
                GAnon? ANOTHER new conspiracy theory?
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                • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                  GAnon? ANOTHER new conspiracy theory?
                  Yes, the Illuminati is sneaking a chemical into Gatorade to gradually lower the IQ of society. It's working so far.
                  "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                  • Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post

                    Yes, the Illuminati is sneaking a chemical into Gatorade to gradually lower the IQ of society. It's working so far.
                    Something is having that effect. Sorry to say it, but Millennials are on average the dumbest generation in recent history. Modified foods? Chemicals in drinking water? Zombie schools?

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                    • Originally posted by Ronson View Post

                      Something is having that effect. Sorry to say it, but Millennials are on average the dumbest generation in recent history. Modified foods? Chemicals in drinking water? Zombie schools?
                      Florine in the water! FloAnon!
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                      • Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                        Yes, the Illuminati is sneaking a chemical into Gatorade to gradually lower the IQ of society. It's working so far.
                        I think the Flynn Effect - the observation that humans in the Western world got massively more intelligent over the course of the 20th century, apparently due to better nutrition and more average years spent in formal education, doesn't get nearly the attention it deserves.

                        People have a tendency to make your sort of throwaway comments about humans getting dumber, when actually, humans got so much smarter in the last 120 years, that by modern standards the average person living before 1900 would be regarded as mentally deficient if they were to be teleported into today's world, and a genius living before 1900 would just be regarded as of average intelligence today.

                        While some evidence suggests that this trend towards higher IQs has now stopped - probably not surprising given our food seems to generally now be getting less nutritious not more and the number of years the average person spends in formal education has stopped increasing - it's worth appreciating that humans in the last 50 years in general are by far the smartest in world history. This has obvious implications for how much we might (not) want to rely on any supposed 'wisdom of the ancients' - people who, by our standards, were pretty mentally deficient.

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                        • Originally posted by seanD View Post

                          If you actually believe 1 Timothy 6:10 (I know I do, literally), that view wouldn't be at all consistent. You can't possibly be a billionaire and not love money. Apparently that's not just evil, but is the root of all love. That's a pretty strong indictment against loving wealth I think I've ever seen in the bible. Does that mean that all billionaires are sado masochists and act like Charles Manson outwardly, no because billionaires are also very smart and shrewd folks and know that isn't a pragmatic way to successfully function in a civil society. As I mentioned before, there are numerous accounts of pedophile rings involving government institutions and wealthy elites with participants no one would ever expected that partook in such activity. Yet if you believe 1 Timothy 6:10, then that shouldn't come as a surprise.
                          Nothing about even a KJV-literalist approach to 1 Tim. 6:10 requires viewing billionaires as necessarily "loving" money. That is an arbitrary and subjective conclusion, and the kind that fuels the Politics of Envy that the Left so loves.

                          Interestingly, most "modern" translations, including the NKJV, render the verse as "a root" of "all kinds of evil." Even more interesting, to me at least, the NET, which in general has about the same level of "literalness" as the NIV, renders it more "traditionally" -- the root of all evils" -- and explains the linguistic reasoning in a note; but they also opine that it "should be read as a case of hyperbole."

                          Keener, in his Bible Background Commentary notes on the passage, says that Paul was citing a widely used proverb circulated among philosophers and their followers.

                          If you're going to take the KJV/NET reading "literally," you should also treat 6:17-19 of the same passage with similar seriousness. Paul exhorts "the rich" to be generous and to have proper attitudes, but he does not demand they divest, and he affirms it is fine to "enjoy" what God gives us.
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                          • Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post

                            Nothing about even a KJV-literalist approach to 1 Tim. 6:10 requires viewing billionaires as necessarily "loving" money. That is an arbitrary and subjective conclusion, and the kind that fuels the Politics of Envy that the Left so loves.

                            Interestingly, most "modern" translations, including the NKJV, render the verse as "a root" of "all kinds of evil." Even more interesting, to me at least, the NET, which in general has about the same level of "literalness" as the NIV, renders it more "traditionally" -- the root of all evils" -- and explains the linguistic reasoning in a note; but they also opine that it "should be read as a case of hyperbole."

                            Keener, in his Bible Background Commentary notes on the passage, says that Paul was citing a widely used proverb circulated among philosophers and their followers.

                            If you're going to take the KJV/NET reading "literally," you should also treat 6:17-19 of the same passage with similar seriousness. Paul exhorts "the rich" to be generous and to have proper attitudes, but he does not demand they divest, and he affirms it is fine to "enjoy" what God gives us.
                            Well, I hate to get into this extensively because Christians seem to always get real touchy about this subject for some reason. I think the problem is you're confusing spiritual with political. To me, you can't interpret 1 Tim. 6:10 any other way other than what it says, whether you throw in "all kinds of" or not, it's still basically the same meaning -- the love of money leads to evil. Unless the person has an inheritance, there's no possible way you couldn't love that amount of money and greed and become a billionaire. Even a heir to a billion dollar empire NOT loving money I believe is extremely iffy. This teaching is consistent throughout the bible, especially Jesus' teachings. You might be able to finagle an odd interpretation of 1 Tim. 6:10, but you can't avoid Jesus' teaching about wealth, and it was a teaching pattern throughout his entire ministry.

                            The political left is singing a totally different tune. They're separate issues. I'm not speaking sociopolitical, but spiritually, which has nothing to do with the left, or their envy of wealth. What I'm speaking of is not "wealth sharing," and is the total opposite of wealth envy.

                            We can also apply this scriptural principle to the real world around us. How many billionaires do you know are dedicated to Christ and promoting his gospel? I can't name one. I can certainly name a bunch of them engaged in some really bizarre and/or worldly behavior, and this is stuff they do in open. In fact, I can't even name a millionaire in this regard. I can certainly name a bunch of multi million dollar mega churches, and isn't it interesting that most Christians on this site would argue these are worldly churches that preach heresy or a false doctrine. It's par for the course.
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                            • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                              Do you agree that her saying being factually correct is "absolutely important" is quite different to the idea of her your meme that misquoted her was peddling as rejecting the idea of factual correctness?
                              It is absolutely important to note that she had to be pushed into making the second part of your quote that clumsily tried to offset what she had said and that even her fanboiz at CNN still took her to task for thinking facts and moral truth are mutually exclusive, such as Chris Cillizza incredulously declaring "Here’s the thing: Being factually accurate and morally right isn’t an either/or situation. You can do both!"
                              Last edited by rogue06; 05-07-2021, 07:10 AM. Reason: mutually not morally

                              I'm always still in trouble again

                              "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                              "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                              • Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post

                                Yes, the Illuminati is sneaking a chemical into Gatorade to gradually lower the IQ of society. It's working so far.
                                Wait, so GAnon isn't the one where they were purposely putting chemicals in the water to turn frogs gay?


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