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  • oxmixmudd
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    Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post

    Yes, especially in past years. In recent years, the Left's penchant for infringing on various civil liberties has become comparably offensive.
    I understand abortion being a big driver. Especially the push to keep late term abortions legal. But pragmatically I don't see first trimester abortion ever going away, so I'm not willing to sacrifice what I believe has been and will be an equally deadly cost associated with trumpism over what I believe to be a fools errand wrt trying to change that. Keeping in mind the lives lost to Trump's ineptitude and misinformation wrt covid is of the same magnitude as the number of abortions the prior year. The raw number of deaths is about the same, but we would not likely agree as to the percentage of that number Trump is directly responsible for.
    Last edited by oxmixmudd; 05-07-2021, 11:25 AM.

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  • NorrinRadd
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    Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post

    As she should be, but its more than just QAnon. She also said Sandy hook and Parkland were staged, publicly assailed and chased down a Parkland survivor, and supported 911 conspiracies. Now when she was stripped of her committee positions she said she 'no longer believed those things' but to have ever been on board with all of that just kinda disqualifies her completely in my mind. They need to recall and replace.




    Is that primarily driven by the abortion issue?
    Yes, especially in past years. In recent years, the Left's penchant for infringing on various civil liberties has become comparably offensive.

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by seanD View Post

    Calling someone dishonest and a liar are two different things. You can honestly report facts, but do it in a way that's still dishonest. MSM does it all the time.
    Like presenting the facts that support your narrative, but ignoring anything that doesn't. You're not "lying", but it's certainly dishonest and misleading.

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  • seanD
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    Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post

    I take it as simply false.

    Some here making such a comment would receive an infraction or at least a warning that calling people liars is frowned upon here.
    Calling someone dishonest and a liar can be two different things. You can honestly report facts, but do it in a dishonest way that it distorts the truth. MSM does it all the time.

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  • oxmixmudd
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    Originally posted by seanD View Post

    You're as dishonest as they come, Ox. Take that as you will.
    I take it as simply false.

    Some here making such a comment would receive an infraction or at least a warning that calling people liars is frowned upon here.

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  • seanD
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    Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post

    I doubt seriously there is any significant inaccuracy in the poll ... unless there are a lot of Republicans that can accept and have a positive opinion towards Qanon supporters ... which in the end basically still makes it accurate.

    QAnon just is not something that a completely sane person with good judgement can sign on to. Being able to 'look beyond it' wrt positions of leadership and governance is itself - I believe - a flaw in judgement.
    You're as dishonest as they come, Ox. Take that as you will.

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  • oxmixmudd
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    Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post

    1) Ms Greene is literally the ONLY politician I know of that does or did support QAnon, and only because she has been loudly targeted because of it.
    As she should be, but its more than just QAnon. She also said Sandy hook and Parkland were staged, publicly assailed and chased down a Parkland survivor, and supported 911 conspiracies. Now when she was stripped of her committee positions she said she 'no longer believed those things' but to have ever been on board with all of that just kinda disqualifies her completely in my mind. They need to recall and replace.


    2) I hold in disdain any believer who makes QAnon a shibboleth to the point that he or she would view a typical Democrat as an acceptable voting choice.
    Is that primarily driven by the abortion issue?

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  • NorrinRadd
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    Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post

    The wide spread support among Republicans for candidates and elected officials that support QAnon answers your question.
    1) Ms Greene is literally the ONLY politician I know of that does or did support QAnon, and only because she has been loudly targeted because of it.

    2) I hold in disdain any believer who makes QAnon a shibboleth to the point that he or she would view a typical Democrat as an acceptable voting choice.

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  • oxmixmudd
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    Originally posted by seanD View Post

    If someone asked me my view about Qanon supporters and an image of Marjorie Taylor Greene pops into my head, of whom I admire because she's an outspoken critic against BLM and all the intersectional cult leftism, even though I don't share her views about Qanon, how am I supposed to answer that question? See the flaw there?

    I linked to a poll that showed just 2% support for Qanon among all voters, and the question in that poll was directly related to Q.

    It's a simple question: What are your views about Qanon? But for some reason they didn't ask it that way, and so that leaves it open to misinterpretation and misrepresentation about Q like you just did.
    I doubt seriously there is any significant inaccuracy in the poll ... unless there are a lot of Republicans that can accept and have a positive opinion towards Qanon supporters ... which in the end basically still makes it accurate.

    QAnon just is not something that a completely sane person with good judgement can sign on to. Being able to 'look beyond it' wrt positions of leadership and governance is itself - I believe - a flaw in judgement.
    Last edited by oxmixmudd; 05-06-2021, 11:39 PM.

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  • shunyadragon
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    Originally posted by seanD View Post

    If someone asked me my view about Qanon supporters and an image of Marjorie Taylor Greene pops into my head, of whom I admire because she's an outspoken critic against BLM and all the intersectional cult leftism, even though I don't share her views about Qanon, how am I supposed to answer that question? See the flaw there?

    I linked to a poll that showed just 2% support for Qanon among all voters, and the question in that poll was directly related to Q.

    It's a simple question: What are your views about Qanon? But for some reason they didn't ask it that way, and so that leaves it open to misinterpretation and misrepresentation about Q like you just did.
    The wide spread support among Republicans for candidates and elected officials that support QAnon answers your question.

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  • seanD
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    Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post

    What bias are you referring to seanD? After accounting for the fact the question was only asked of approximately 50% of those republicans polled, the result is still that about
    12% of the Republicans polled held a favorable view QAnon.

    Your stretch that somehow the response was interpreted to as " people(that I know) supporting QAnon" instead of people(generic) that support QAnon" is way over the top. That is not how that question would typically be interpreted.
    If someone asked me my view about Qanon supporters and an image of Marjorie Taylor Greene pops into my head, of whom I admire because she's an outspoken critic against BLM and all the intersectional cult leftism, even though I don't share her views about Qanon, how am I supposed to answer that question? See the flaw there?

    I linked to a poll that showed just 2% support for Qanon among all voters, and the question in that poll was directly related to Q.

    It's a simple question: What are your views about Qanon? But for some reason they didn't ask it that way, and so that leaves it open to misinterpretation and misrepresentation about Q like you just did.

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  • shunyadragon
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    Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post

    It also shows that democrats are more interested in QAnon than republicans are.
    Polls cited that by far most Democrats reject QAnon, only 4 % Democrats polled say there is very little truth to QAnon claims. The polls and the support of Trump show wide spread support for QAnon. Claiming they have no knowledge has little meaning except Democrates likely tend to be more knowledgeable. Not being knowledgeable about a dangerous organization is not complementary of Republicans.
    Last edited by shunyadragon; 05-06-2021, 04:11 PM.

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  • oxmixmudd
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    Originally posted by seanD View Post

    There you go again, even after we had just covered all this. This is what I mean. Is that confirmation bias or are willingly being deceptive about the study?
    What bias are you referring to seanD? After accounting for the fact the question was only asked of approximately 50% of those republicans polled, the result is still that about
    12% of the Republicans polled held a favorable view QAnon.

    Your stretch that somehow the response was interpreted to as " people(that I know) supporting QAnon" instead of people(generic) that support QAnon" is way over the top. That is not how that question would typically be interpreted.
    Last edited by oxmixmudd; 05-06-2021, 03:55 PM.

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  • seanD
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    Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post

    I would say you are too quick to try to minimize the problem. Taylor Greene is a problem. The fact so many republicans are buying into truth over fiction (e.g. the Election 'Big Lie') is a major problem. That even 12% of a random sampling of ANY group could have favorable views of something like QAnon is a problem. But it goes more to the terrible impact on our nation of fealty to Trump and supporting him over truth.

    It is a difficult day we live in - there is a lot on the Democrat side I disagree with. But given the choice is between some connection to truth and honor vs total fantasy and a complete abdication of integrity and principle, I have no real choice.
    There you go again, even after we had just covered all this. This is what I mean. Is that confirmation bias or are willingly being deceptive about the study?

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  • oxmixmudd
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    Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post

    I would say the most likely is that Democrats are using Qanon as a wicker man villain, similar to Emmanuel Goldstein.
    I would say you are too quick to try to minimize the problem. Taylor Greene is a problem. The fact so many republicans are buying into fiction over truth (e.g. the Election 'Big Lie') is a major problem. That even 12% of a random sampling of ANY group could have favorable views of something like QAnon is a problem. But it goes more to the terrible impact on our nation of fealty to Trump and supporting him over truth.

    It is a difficult day we live in - there is a lot on the Democrat side I disagree with. But given the choice is between some connection to truth and honor vs total fantasy and a complete abdication of integrity and principle, I have no other practical choice.

    I will NOT be making any pilgrimages to Mar-A-Largo.
    Last edited by oxmixmudd; 05-06-2021, 03:24 PM.

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