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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostThe 99.9% statistic was what the scientists and government routinely told us for quite some time. FWIU it is actually 98.6%
But there is nothing I can say about Egyptian pyramids at the South PoleHey, 98.6, it's good to have you back again
Oh, hey, 98.6, her lovin' is the medicine that saved me
Oh, I love my baby
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Originally posted by Roy View Post
How "intelligent and informed" you are can be seen from this:
Mountain Man on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
(and of course you fell for a hoax article which used a picture of the Egyptian pyramids for a city newly discovered under the Antarctic icecap)
But there is nothing I can say about Egyptian pyramids at the South Pole
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostIf your views were really shaped by intelligent and informed people like me...
How "intelligent and informed" you are can be seen from this:
Mountain Man on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
(and of course you fell for a hoax article which used a picture of the Egyptian pyramids for a city newly discovered under the Antarctic icecap)
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
What we face now is that those checks and balances can only work if the legislative and judicial branches are themselves populated by people not beholden or under the power of such a person. And we are well underway towards destroying the ultimate effectiveness of that safeguard. With every trip to mar a largo followed by yet another legislator changing their story and falling in line with Trump's desired outcomes, we move one step closer to autocracy.
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Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
I see it mostly as a loss of power when they had convinced themselves that power was certain. Suddenly feeling powerless when you were so certain you were were about to win made them angry. That caused them to lash out. They found the catharsis exhilarating, and got addicted to the anger.
The media were daily accosted by Trump's denial of truth, invention of lie, lack of integrity and corruption, and just general incompetence, placing fealty above competence in nearly every appointment. Trump was everything the founding Fathers imagined when they strove to create a system of checks and balances in place to keep a rogue and corrupt man from stealing power and taking control of our government. And while they essentially worked, they were found many times to be inadequate to the task.
What we face now is that those checks and balances can only work if the legislative and judicial branches are themselves populated by people not beholden or under the power of such a person. And we are well underway towards destroying the ultimate effectiveness of that critical safeguard. With every trip to mar a largo followed by yet another legislator changing their story and falling in line with Trump's desired outcomes, we move one step closer to autocracy. If not Trump, then some other demagogue riding the Trumpian waveLast edited by oxmixmudd; 05-07-2021, 07:05 AM.
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Originally posted by Starlight View Post
I think you're describing the Republican party here.
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Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View PostI remember them being upset about Trump pouring fish food into a koi pond after Abe did.
I remember them being upset about a secret bank server between Trump and Russia that was neither.
I remember Rachel Maddow releasing Trump's tax returns and there being nothing in them after an hour of hype.
A clear example was the annual outrage over the Christmas decorations of Melania Trump.
Or, you know the people who slut-shamed Melania.
When the initial Anger became the Anchoring point, nothing good followed.
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostThe liberals were upset at the ~5000 Trump scandals and Trump's ongoing incompetency. Not just because they wrongly predicted who would win an election. If you think the latter's the cause rather than the former, I'd say you can't have seen much liberal media coverage during Trump's time in office. So in general your explanation's just plain wrong.
In the end, alot of the outrage was anger looking for something to manifest around. A clear example was the annual outrage over the Christmas decorations of Melania Trump. Or, you know the people who slut-shamed Melania. When the initial Anger became the Anchoring point, nothing good followed.
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The liberals were upset at the ~5000 Trump scandals and Trump's ongoing incompetency. Not just because they wrongly predicted who would win an election. If you think the latter's the cause rather than the former, I'd say you can't have seen much liberal media coverage during Trump's time in office. So in general your explanation's just plain wrong.
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostThat explanation would apply equally to any group ever to lose an election. I suppose you could say that was what Republicans did on Jan 6. But in general, Dems don't seem to have done it in 2000, or 2004, nor Republicans in 2008 nor 2012.
It's also not an explanation that would apply to people like me, who hated Hillary, both because of her stealing the primary from Bernie and because she was so much a centrist corporate sell-out, that we wouldn't have considered a win by her to be a win for progressive goals.
So, overall, I'm not buying your explanation. Its predictions of who should have been angry and when, are wrong.
Democrats and liberals went into this election with the level of certainty of getting married that a groom has on the wedding day while standing at the altar. Trump winning was the equivalent of the Bride leaving him at the altar. That's the level of certainty they had and then lost.
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Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View PostI see it mostly as a loss of power when they had convinced themselves that power was certain. Suddenly feeling powerless when you were so certain you were were about to win made them angry. That caused them to lash out. They found the catharsis exhilarating, and got addicted to the anger.
It's also not an explanation that would apply to people like me, who hated Hillary, both because of her stealing the primary from Bernie and because she was so much a centrist corporate sell-out, that we wouldn't have considered a win by her to be a win for progressive goals.
So, overall, I'm not buying your explanation. Its predictions of who should have been angry and when, are wrong.
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostIt was liberals seeing the mask come so fully off the US Republican base that was so enlightening.
Up until then, a lot of liberals had convinced themselves that all the US Republican voters were fundamentally good people, that they were fundamentally rational, reachable, and that if only liberals were sufficiently nice to them, made sufficient effort to understand them, and reached out to them in the right way, they could be convinced.
Article after after in liberal media told us we just needed to try harder to reach Republicans, be even nicer, that their apparent obstinacy was all our fault for not spending enough time and effort in understanding in seeing where they were coming from, and being empathetic to their views. The media were absolutely convinced that if only we'd reach across the aisle even more, that we'd be able to connect with Republicans. They seemed utterly convinced that if liberals reached out a hand of friendship to Republicans for the hundredth time time that they it might not be slapped away by Republicans like it was the previous 99 times.
But the Trump election and administration showed even the densest of liberals really really clearly, that Republicans would defend anything, excuse anything, and cackle that they were triggering the libs by embracing abhorrent behavior. No liberal could fail to see the Republican base's demonstration of their complete and utter lack of standards and morals.
But over and over and over again, throughout Trump's ~5000 scandals, his supporters not merely defended him every step of the way in every instance, but cheered him on, declaring him to be the best president ever. The worse the thing Trump did, and the more horrified the liberals were as a result, the more Trump's supporters seemed to love it. They reveled in the depravity.
Seeing people not merely having no standards, but actively glorying in evil, changes how you view them. You realize these are not people you can just convince by being extra extra nice to.
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