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Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post
It seems awfully convenient that he just ignores the often cited "internalized racism" that is supposed to be so prevalent these days as a possibility as to how a black person insulting black person could be the result of racism.
My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostIn other words, you excused racism.
Oh, but I do like how you softened it to mere "insults" as if someone told him his haircut was stupid. No, calling him "Uncle Tim" is clearly a racist remark intended to belittle someone with black skin.
Here is an interesting article by a black man on the term "Uncle Tom". I think it captures my thinking on it.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlo...f9d_story.html
He calls it an insult as well. But just because it is an insult doesn't mean it is not racist or that it is not inappropriate or cruel. It just means that insult is a proper designation for the term. Nothing 'soft' about it.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
The assignment of motive is quite over the top - and wrong. My unsurety of whether it was racism was real (though I am convinced at this point that is the proper name for it). And my concerns over how hostile any attempt to interact in the thread would be are also real, as anyone reading the last few pages can see.
If you were consistent in the way you applied your logic it wouldn't have taken anywhere near this long for you to come to the conclusion that the statements in the OP were racist. In fact, with the intense focus you have on racism and how bad it is, it should have been more obvious to you if you really understood what racism is and how it manifests.
One of your first posts was a self fulfilling prophecy. You have very often gone into a thread, say how horrible everyone who disagrees with you is, often long before anyone has even said anything remotely resembling the horrible things you ascribe to them. Then when they actually give any level of disagreement or pushback* against your claims it is suddenly proving you "right" about how terrible they are. You have done this over, and over, and over. Then when called out on your own pattern of behavior you say people are "gaslighting" you about what happened. In the past you've even denied this pattern of behavior even exists, which is gaslighting.
*Even when said pushback is mild, or even completely civil. Not to say all of the disagreement has been mild or civil, but that you take even such mild posts as if they are extremely harsh.
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
Point me to the text where I excused using the term "uncle Tim or Uncle Tom". I never excused it. I said it was bad, wrong.
'Softened'. Hardly.
Here is an interesting article by a black man on the term "Uncle Tom". I think it captures my thinking on it.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlo...f9d_story.html
He calls it an insult as well. But just because it is an insult doesn't mean it is not racist or that it is not inappropriate or cruel. It just means that insult is a proper designation for the term. Nothing 'soft' about it.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
Please, ox, the opening post made reference to the "Uncle Tim" slur directed at Tim Scott. When you finally condescended to grace this thread with your presence, you first dismissed it as mere "insults from a black person to a black person" and then said it's not "a useful or appropriate thing to say". That's hardly a condemnation. Telling your wife, "No, that dress doesn't make your butt look big, your butt makes that dress look big," would fall under the category of "not useful or appropriate". Calling a black person a variation of "Uncle Tom" is not merely "not appropriate or useful" but is overtly racist and should be unequivocally condemned as such. One can only wonder why it is so hard to for you to simply do so.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
There is no point in continuing this with you MM. When and if you ever decide to get off your irrational need to denigrate me in each post you write, we can talk again.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post
I didn't technically ascribe a motive to you at all, just noticed that this kind of reaction seems a bit too convenient, but somehow what I said was "over the top - and wrong". That's really the stance you want to take? This effectively leaves no room for disagreement with you, or even any suspicion of any kind when it comes to your posts.
and yes, such a reply is 'over the top and wrong. You are not merely disagreeing with my opinion, you are saying i am not being honest or truthful about my thoughts and motivations as they relate to this thread.
If you were consistent in the way you applied your logic it wouldn't have taken anywhere near this long for you to come to the conclusion that the statements in the OP were racist. In fact, with the intense focus you have on racism and how bad it is, it should have been more obvious to you if you really understood what racism is and how it manifests.
One of your first posts was a self fulfilling prophecy. You have very often gone into a thread, say how horrible everyone who disagrees with you is, often long before anyone has even said anything remotely resembling the horrible things you ascribe to them. Then when they actually give any level of disagreement or pushback* against your claims it is suddenly proving you "right" about how terrible they are. You have done this over, and over, and over. Then when called out on your own pattern of behavior you say people are "gaslighting" you about what happened. In the past you've even denied this pattern of behavior even exists, which is gaslighting.
let's assume you were in a thread where several people didn't like your point of view, but instead of telling you what they thought was wrong with your point of view, they where going on and on post aflter post about what they thought was wrong with YOU. How would you react?
My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
Please at least be honest. 'How convenient as you used it always calls motive or truthfulness into question.. perhaps that was not your specific intent, but that IS what that phrase means.
and yes, such a reply is 'over the top and wrong. You are not merely disagreeing with my opinion, you are saying i am not being honest or truthful about my thoughts and motivations as they relate to this thread.
Even if your stated reasons are 100% true that doesn't make it look any less suspicious. Can you appreciate the fact something can look suspicious even if nothing wrong was actually transpiring? I added the word "seems" for a reason.
As I said, there was more than one reason I avoided this thread.. again " if I was consistent is demeaning. You are finding fault and judging me rather than just accepting my stated reasons as simple fact. I have a right to chose to avoid being judged and condemned by those such as you, or MM do I not? Would you enter into a conversation with people that would make the sorts of derogatory comments about you that have been made about me so far in this thread from multiple sources no less? Would you even ever speak to them again?
I'm speaking to you aren't I? You've attacked my honest and integrity in this very thread. You've assigned motives to me, which you claim is something that should be out of bounds. This is also far from the only time you've done this.
If that was really your intent you shouldn't have even posted in this thread at all. If you are correct in your pronouncements about those on this site then literally nothing you can say or do will ever change their minds, and they will be harsh to you regardless. You'd have to be masochistic to believe what you do about the people on this site, and yet repeatedly come here to poke the hornet's nest.
I've never said anyone was horrible for disagreeing with me. But I have pointed out many times that ad hominem and attacks on the person rather than the idea are wrong.
let's assume you were in a thread where several people didn't like your point of view, but instead of telling you what they thought was wrong with your point of view, they where going on and on post aflter post about what they thought was wrong with YOU. How would you react?
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Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View PostI would probably leave or reduce my interaction to not much if at all. I've done this in multiple venues where I've been consistently attacked by the majority. Here are some of the actual complaints made against me(one is very weird IMO) "you're heartless", "you're being too objective"(told you it was weird), "you're boring" , and many more. All of these for the crime of not liking a video game that came out last year and for giving as detailed reasons as I could for as to why I didn't like it.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
Those seem pretty tame to me compared to what I get here. But there you go - and maybe I should just leave as well. It's clear there is no chance the majority will not let go of whatever grudge or anger there is that drives it. So I just need to decide if the opportunity to have meaningful discussions sometimes is worth the cost of being dragged through the mud most of the time.
It's like how H_A trolls, and brings negative attention to herself, then wonders why everyone has issues with her.
If you want to leave because you created a situation where people view you negatively, while you haven't yet put in the work to change that situation, that is your choice. But, be aware that negative view didn't come out of nowhere, and repairing that reputation is going to take more than words in a single thread while you still do the same elsewhere.
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
Those seem pretty tame to me compared to what I get here. But there you go - and maybe I should just leave as well. It's clear there is no chance the majority will not let go of whatever grudge or anger there is that drives it. So I just need to decide if the opportunity to have meaningful discussions sometimes is worth the cost of being dragged through the mud most of the time.
Regardless of which one of is right in this particular exchange, it appears to me that being on here is causing you anxiety. It really may be best to just not interact here. or at the very least take regular breaks.
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Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View PostYou'd have to be masochistic to believe what you do about the people on this site, and yet repeatedly come here to poke the hornet's nest.
Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
Perhaps its worth asking yourself why you attracted such negative attention over the last 4 years to yourself with your own vitriol. As I pointed out, you are still putting that vitriol out even as recently as Shuny's thread from a couple of days ago.
It's like how H_A trolls, and brings negative attention to herself, then wonders why everyone has issues with her.
If you want to leave because you created a situation where people view you negatively, while you haven't yet put in the work to change that situation, that is your choice. But, be aware that negative view didn't come out of nowhere, and repairing that reputation is going to take more than words in a single thread while you still do the same elsewhere.
I am not currently interacting with less direct hostility with others than many, even most here. Just take a careful look at how starlight or Shunya have been treated the last few days. Yet here you and others are, pages of criticism based on past actions while ignoring and excusing current posts by others at least as hostile as some of my posts from my past. And of course, nary an apology from any of them, yet three from me to those I've offended in the last few pages alone.
Its a huge double standard based on grudges held for years that will not forgive past poor behavior even in light of multiple apologies and demonstrated change.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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