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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
You have no idea what a kafkatrap is. A kafkatrap, briefly, is when a person is vaguely accused of something, and his denials are seen as proof of guilt. You can read more about the fallacy at the following link:
http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=2122
But that's not what is happening here. Rather, you're being asked if you will condemn the left's racist smears of Senator Tim Scott, and instead of simply doing so, you act like it's some of strange rhetorical trap. It honestly leaves me scratching my head."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
Yeah - the games you play.
1) I've condemned it
2) I've said I didn't want to participate in this thread because it is a 'damned if you do/damned if you don't situation', another name for a 'kafkatrap', and posts like this simply make my point
3) I was indirectly called out by one of you as 'only caring about racism', yet when I don't participate in a thread about racism - I'm condemned for NOT participating by others.
The illogic, and the hypocrisy, are all yours
You're not even addressing the criticism - your selective condemnations make it look like you're using racism as a political tool. So stop the pity party and figure out a winning strategy. This was totally winnable. You just knocked over the board instead of playing fair.
"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
"Forgiveness is the way of love." Gary Chapman
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostStop whining. All you had to do to win this round was uncategoriccally condemn the racism and leave it at that. You lost the instant you started the defensiveness.
You're not even addressing the criticism - your selective condemnations make it look like you're using racism as a political tool. So stop the pity party and figure out a winning strategy. This was totally winnable. You just knocked over the board instead of playing fair.
And I rest my case as to why I had no desire to participate in this thread. Thank you for you contribution.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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This is the closest I could find to a condemnation:
Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
I have no problem condemning attacks against a black man. I'm not sure insults from a black person to a black person can be properly called 'racism', but referencing a person as 'uncle Tim/tom' has never been nor is it now a useful or appropriate thing to say.
I am wondering about the old virtue signaling thing though. Sounds like I'm getting ready to be hauled up on charges of hypocrisy or some such if I don't run in here and condemn this. But isn't that just sorta demanding I say the thing you want to hear - and isn't that what the whole virtue signaling thing is all about?
Or maybe its a Kafka Trap and I'm condemned no matter what I say?
Again, I don't know why you suddenly find it a distasteful thing to clearly and unequivocally condemn racism from your fellow liberals, or why you think you would trap yourself if you did do. If this was coming from the Trump camp, you would be howling condemnations until you were hoarse.Last edited by Mountain Man; 05-03-2021, 11:40 AM.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostStop whining. All you had to do to win this round was uncategoriccally condemn the racism and leave it at that. You lost the instant you started the defensiveness.
You're not even addressing the criticism - your selective condemnations make it look like you're using racism as a political tool. So stop the pity party and figure out a winning strategy. This was totally winnable. You just knocked over the board instead of playing fair.
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
I quoted your comment and I also agreed that there are some who are not.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostI only read about 1 thread in 4, and respond in fewer than half of those.
My view that US conservatives are so deeply deeply racist that they are generally beyond talking to on the issue. If it helps you sleep at night to pretend a few liberals are a little bit racist too, I guess that's understandable. I doubt I'll respond further to this absurd thread.
In your world a conservative are all "so deeply deeply racist" just by virtue of being a conservative whereas no matter how much documentation gets dropped in your lap, you have to "pretend a few liberals are a little bit racist too."
What exactly IS the color in the world you inhabit?
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Originally posted by mossrose View Post
Yes. And he will simply turn around and attack you for "attacking" him. It's his pattern.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
Can you please define 'some'?"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostTime and time again we've all seen what a mixed up, muddled up, shook up view that you have of the U.S. and how that view is effectively worth even less than a plugged nickel.
In your world a conservative are all "so deeply deeply racist" just by virtue of being a conservative whereas no matter how much documentation gets dropped in your lap, you have to "pretend a few liberals are a little bit racist too."
What exactly IS the color in the world you inhabit?Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostYou're talking to a guy whose views of the United States are shaped in large part by what he sees on YouTube."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
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Originally posted by Dimbulb View PostEven worse - shaped by a dozen years of reading comments from people like you on TWeb. No wonder I have a dismal view of America!Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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