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Joe Biden: ‘We the People Are the Government’
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Originally posted by seanD View Post
And after a year of pandemic totalitarianism by his party, that's rich. Almost as rich as racist dixiecrat like him lecturing us about how racist our country is.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostIn context, within his speech, Biden criticized the autocracy of the Trump administration.
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Originally posted by seanD View PostThe democrat party = the party of projection.
"GOP = Gaslight, obstruct, project"
Not surprising to see you getting things backward."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostProbably the single most common comment I see on Reddit when Americans are discussing politics is:
"GOP = Gaslight, obstruct, project"
Not surprising to see you getting things backward.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYeah, when somebody who has spent his entire adult life sucking on the public teat, and never worked a real job, declares "we the people are the government", forgive me if I'm less than impressed.
Granted the difference could be a result of the fact that my country is far less corrupt and far more democratic than the US, but those are things that it's up to you guys to improve and fix. Obviously you as a nation are morally responsible for how you choose to let your government function and the levels of corruption and undemocraticness you guys seem prepared to tolerate."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by ke7ejx View PostPerhaps it's time for We the People to take a leaf from Iceland's book and find a way to fire the entire government and start again...Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
He means the same thing Reagan does. I don't get why you guys think he meant something else.
ETA: I just listened to it again. What I hear is him invoking the fact that every person in that room is an American citizen. That our government comes from and returns to the people. That the people in that room are not some special elite class of people, but members each one of America, just like you and I, and responsible to it.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostHow do we pull that off?
1. Ban gerrymandering, to ensure that the voters are choosing the politicians rather than having politicians choose their voters.
2. Replace plurality voting with a ranked choice or proportional voting system that doesn't punish 3rd parties and cause the will of the electorate to be more accurately reflected in who is elected.
3. Ban lobbying and large campaign contributions, to prevent special interest groups whispering in the ears of politicians and gifting them enough money win by indoctrinating the voters with endless ads."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostProbably the single most common comment I see on Reddit when Americans are discussing politics is:
"GOP = Gaslight, obstruct, project"
The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostI think overall the biggest mindset difference I see between people in my country and US conservatives, is that in my country people view the government as the servant of the people and controlled by the people,
you guys talk as if the government is the enemy of the people and not controllable by the people.
Granted the difference could be a result of the fact that my country is far less corrupt and far more democratic than the US,
but those are things that it's up to you guys to improve and fix.
Obviously you as a nation are morally responsible for how you choose to let your government function and the levels of corruption and undemocraticness you guys seem prepared to tolerate.
The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostProbably the single most common comment I see on Reddit when Americans are discussing politics is:
"GOP = Gaslight, obstruct, project"
Not surprising to see you getting things backward.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostWe have people going to DC and staying for ever, getting filthy rich. Do they do that in your country?
Assuming you mean politicians, I had a look into the numbers. Your rate of pay for politicians is similar to ours, and is higher than many jobs but lower than senior managers would receive in any major company.
The pay rate in our countries for politicians is not high enough to make anyone 'filthy rich', and American politicians who are particularly rich (e.g. Trump, Pelosi) are rich due to other business interests not political salary (e.g. Trump gave his Presidential salary to charity, and Pelosi's congressional salary across 34 years accounts for less than 5% of her net worth). You could argue, I suppose that US politicians often engage in insider trading to line their pockets illegally, but that's not quite the same thing.
The average length of service for US congresspeople and senators is about 11 years for each. That's well short of 'for ever'. I'll grant you that's high compared to a normal job, and it's about twice the length of the average political career in my country, but I'm not sure that it's so huge that it's a problem. Yes, you have some politicians who spend their whole lives in politics, but so do we (e.g. our recently-departed deputy-leader served longer than Pelosi has). Possibly your biggest problem is age of Senators - they're just too old, and as I've said before, abolishing the Senate would be a good step towards improving the US system.
When the politicians completely control the means by which government can be reformed, it's nearly impossible.
Much easier to do at a local level - pretty much impossible on a national level."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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