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  • #46
    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

    People call it "gridlock". Our Founding Fathers called it "checks and balances". If elected representatives were doing their job right, then it should never be necessary to force legislation through with a slim party line majority.
    Yes, sir - so if "the other side" is keeping us from doing something we want, it's called gridlock.
    If our side is keeping the other side from doing something we don't want, it's checks and balances.



    But, seriously --- I have long made it a principle that, in church business meetings, if there's not a clear overwhelming majority wanting to do something (buy new hymnals, divert mission funds to a different mission opportunity, etc) then I always suggest we back off and pray on it, and come back to it when there's greater interest. It's all about unity.

    Joe preached a pretty good 'unity' sermon at the outset, but has been incredibly partisan every since elected.
    "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

      I don't know why you people think gridlock is so bad --- if you can't get a supermajority to agree on something, maybe it doesn't need to be done. If HALF of Congress wants to do something, and the other HALF does not, maybe they should focus on things on which they can agree.

      We 'hire' our representatives and senators to oppose bad ideas as well as support the ones we want.
      Gridlock means that at least for the moment the politicians aren't implementing any new ways to screw us.

      I'm always still in trouble again

      "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
      "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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      • #48
        Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
        Gridlock means that at least for the moment the politicians aren't implementing any new ways to screw us.
        Absolutely!!! When there's "gridlock", it's not necessarily a bad thing at all. (unless you're trying to get somewhere in traffic, and some high-falutin politician has the roads blocked for his/her own convenience)
        "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
          Why do you people see 'outrage' any time somebody calmly brings up a topic for discussion? ?
          Are you "whining" about someone offering an alterative opinion?
          "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful" Attrib. Seneca 4 BCE - 65 CE

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

            Are you "whining" about someone offering an alterative opinion?
            Got your widdle feewins huwt? I brought up a topic for discussion. I hope that's OK.
            "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

              Got your widdle feewins huwt? I brought up a topic for discussion. I hope that's OK.
              What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander!
              "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful" Attrib. Seneca 4 BCE - 65 CE

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander!
                If you wish to participate in this thread, please stay on topic --- otherwise, leave.
                "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                  If you wish to participate in this thread, please stay on topic --- otherwise, leave.
                  I actually agree with Civil Discourse on this.
                  "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful" Attrib. Seneca 4 BCE - 65 CE

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                    Gridlock means that at least for the moment the politicians aren't implementing any new ways to screw us.
                    Reminds me of the government shutdowns under Obama. People were generally thrilled with the idea of the government closing its doors for a while, so Obama went out of his way to try and make it "hurt" with petty things like deliberately delaying social security payments, or trying to close outdoor exhibits in Washington DC. My favorite story was about a wheelchair bound veteran who came to pay his respects at the World War II memorial only to find a small barricade blocking the path. So he proceeded to dismantle it while park service personnel stood by in awe, afraid to intervene.
                    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                    Than a fool in the eyes of God


                    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                      Reminds me of the government shutdowns under Obama. People were generally thrilled with the idea of the government closing its doors for a while, so Obama went out of his way to try and make it "hurt" with petty things like deliberately delaying social security payments, or trying to close outdoor exhibits in Washington DC. My favorite story was about a wheelchair bound veteran who came to pay his respects at the World War II memorial only to find a small barricade blocking the path. So he proceeded to dismantle it while park service personnel stood by in awe, afraid to intervene.
                      It's kinda like when the Texas Legislature is "out of session*". Many of us Texans breathes easier, because they're not rushing to complicate our lives.



                      *Every two years, the Texas Legislature convenes for a 140-day regular legislative session.



                      "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                        It's kinda like when the Texas Legislature is "out of session*"...

                        *Every two years, the Texas Legislature convenes for a 140-day regular legislative session.
                        I would be so mad if my elected representatives did that. Serving me and the rest of the populace is their full time job. I don't get to work 1/4 of the time. Why should they?

                        Seems like they've tricked you into being okay with them failing to do their job. And given the recent energy crisis, it's not like there aren't obvious things that need doing.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                          I would be so mad if my elected representatives did that.
                          It's required by the Texas Constitution.

                          And, your elected representatives are probably not as partisan, I'd imagine.

                          Serving me and the rest of the populace is their full time job. I don't get to work 1/4 of the time. Why should they?
                          The idea is that they work in their districts when they're not in session --- and they actually do a decent job of that.

                          Seems like they've tricked you into being okay with them failing to do their job.
                          They do work all year -- you just assumed that because they're only "in session" for a limited time, that they're not working elsewhere --- like in their districts.

                          And given the recent energy crisis, it's not like there aren't obvious things that need doing.
                          And, again, not being "in session" doesn't mean that they're not working. My won State Rep makes frequent appearances, as does my State Senator.
                          When they're "in session", they're pretty much locked up in Austin 24/7 working from early morning to very late at night.

                          Your post is understandable as you didn't understand the fact that "in session" doesn't mean "not working".

                          "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                          • #58
                            I might add that "in session" means that they're in Austin actually proposing, voting on, and enacting legislation.
                            It's quite a flurry of activity that goes on from early morning to late late at night.
                            I have testified before the Senate and the Representatives on more than a few occasions, and I'm always struck by the urgency with which everybody is trying to get their bills introduced, read, debated, amended, voted on, etc.
                            "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                              I would be so mad if my elected representatives did that. Serving me and the rest of the populace is their full time job. I don't get to work 1/4 of the time. Why should they?

                              Seems like they've tricked you into being okay with them failing to do their job. And given the recent energy crisis, it's not like there aren't obvious things that need doing.
                              Actually, most of them aren't lay-abouts sponging off the dole but tend to own and run businesses and the like. In my state our constitution limits the General Assembly's annual session to no more than 40 legislative days.

                              And given that a number of states greatly limit the amount of damage they can do how long they convene, you just might start to wonder if that isn't exactly what the people want. In all my years I don't recall anyone clamoring for a longer session.

                              I'm always still in trouble again

                              "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                              "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                              • #60
                                Turning "politician" into a part-time, low-paying job would do wonders for this country. For one thing, it would prevent politicians from passing crippling economic policies knowing that they won't have to face the consequences. If they had to work for their paycheck and pay taxes like the rest of us, and couldn't simply vote themselves a pay raise whenever they started feeling a pinch in their wallet, then maybe they would think twice before proposing tax increases.
                                Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                                But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                                Than a fool in the eyes of God


                                From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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