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Joe Biden: ‘We the People Are the Government’
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
Got your widdle feewins huwt? I brought up a topic for discussion. I hope that's OK.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostWhy do you people see 'outrage' any time somebody calmly brings up a topic for discussion? ?
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostGridlock means that at least for the moment the politicians aren't implementing any new ways to screw us.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
I don't know why you people think gridlock is so bad --- if you can't get a supermajority to agree on something, maybe it doesn't need to be done. If HALF of Congress wants to do something, and the other HALF does not, maybe they should focus on things on which they can agree.
We 'hire' our representatives and senators to oppose bad ideas as well as support the ones we want.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
People call it "gridlock". Our Founding Fathers called it "checks and balances". If elected representatives were doing their job right, then it should never be necessary to force legislation through with a slim party line majority.
If our side is keeping the other side from doing something we don't want, it's checks and balances.
But, seriously --- I have long made it a principle that, in church business meetings, if there's not a clear overwhelming majority wanting to do something (buy new hymnals, divert mission funds to a different mission opportunity, etc) then I always suggest we back off and pray on it, and come back to it when there's greater interest. It's all about unity.
Joe preached a pretty good 'unity' sermon at the outset, but has been incredibly partisan every since elected.
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostThere is no valid comparison to be made rogue. We are dealing with the difference between past incompetence and present competence
Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Postprevious strong autocratic and corrupt tendencies and current respect for the office and those that are competent at their jobs, not loyal to the man.
Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostAnd the speed with which the vaccines have made their way into America's arms is just one example of the extreme benefit of that change.
Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostSo far there is nothing about Biden that speaks of autocratic tendencies. Executive orders were extreme with the previous administrations but the most abused (imo) in the previous.
You mean old Joe's EOs that have dismantled girls and women's sports? Or the EO that caused the price of insulin and EpiPens to shoot up several fold? Or the EOs that are causing the current crisis at the border and returned putting "kids in cages"? The EO requiring that everyone wear a mask while on federal property -- something both he and his family routinely ignore? The EO that killed thousands of well paying jobs putting folks on the unemployment line and requiring the use of more polluting tankers and rail cars?
Yeah, those were horrible things that needed immediate fixing.
Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostThat trend is a product of polarization and gridlock, and not by itself an indicator of autocratic leanings. Nor is there any valid indication Biden himself does not know what he is doing or is not in fact functioning at a high level. Those are myths invented by certain types of media pundits and outlets.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
I don't know why you people think gridlock is so bad --- if you can't get a supermajority to agree on something, maybe it doesn't need to be done. If HALF of Congress wants to do something, and the other HALF does not, maybe they should focus on things on which they can agree.
We 'hire' our representatives and senators to oppose bad ideas as well as support the ones we want.
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
There is no valid comparison to be made rogue. We are dealing with the difference between past incompetence and present competence, previous strong autocratic and corrupt tendencies and current respect for the office and those that are competent at their jobs, not loyal to the man. And the speed with which the vaccines have made their way into America's arms is just one example of the extreme benefit of that change.
So far there is nothing about Biden that speaks of autocratic tendencies. Executive orders were extreme with the previous administrations but the most abused (imo) in the previous. That trend is a product of polarization and gridlock, and not by itself an indicator of autocratic leanings. Nor is there any valid indication Biden himself does not know what he is doing or is not in fact functioning at a high level. Those are myths invented by certain types of media pundits and outlets.
We 'hire' our representatives and senators to oppose bad ideas as well as support the ones we want.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostFor the man who sits at his desk signing one executive order after another (while openly admitting that he has no idea what he's even signing) to be criticizing the alleged autocracy of anyone else would be risking creating something consisting of weapon's grade irony and hypocrisy
So far there is nothing about Biden that speaks of autocratic tendencies. Executive orders were extreme with the previous administrations but the most abused (imo) in the previous. That trend is a product of polarization and gridlock, and not by itself an indicator of autocratic leanings. Nor do I see any valid indication Biden himself does not know what he is doing or is not in fact functioning at a high level. IMO, those are myths invented by certain types of media pundits and outlets.Last edited by oxmixmudd; 05-01-2021, 07:30 AM.
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostDo you mean politicians? Or lobbyists? Or government workers?
Assuming you mean politicians, I had a look into the numbers. Your rate of pay for politicians is similar to ours, and is higher than many jobs but lower than senior managers would receive in any major company.
The pay rate in our countries for politicians is not high enough to make anyone 'filthy rich', and American politicians who are particularly rich (e.g. Trump, Pelosi) are rich due to other business interests not political salary (e.g. Trump gave his Presidential salary to charity, and Pelosi's congressional salary across 34 years accounts for less than 5% of her net worth). You could argue, I suppose that US politicians often engage in insider trading to line their pockets illegally, but that's not quite the same thing.
Originally posted by Starlight View PostThe average length of service for US congresspeople and senators is about 11 years for each. That's well short of 'for ever'.
And he isn't an anomaly. Don Young has been in the House since 1973 and Patrick "Leaky" Leahy has been in the Senate since 1975.
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostIn context, within his speech, Biden criticized the autocracy of the Trump administration.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Post
I wish we had another Reagan as President. Maybe we can bring him back digitally, like Max Headroom.
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