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Joe Biden: ‘We the People Are the Government’

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  • Hypatia_Alexandria
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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

    If you wish to participate in this thread, please stay on topic --- otherwise, leave.
    I actually agree with Civil Discourse on this.

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

    What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander!
    If you wish to participate in this thread, please stay on topic --- otherwise, leave.

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  • Hypatia_Alexandria
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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

    Got your widdle feewins huwt? I brought up a topic for discussion. I hope that's OK.
    What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander!

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

    Are you "whining" about someone offering an alterative opinion?
    Got your widdle feewins huwt? I brought up a topic for discussion. I hope that's OK.

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  • Hypatia_Alexandria
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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Why do you people see 'outrage' any time somebody calmly brings up a topic for discussion? ?
    Are you "whining" about someone offering an alterative opinion?

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
    Gridlock means that at least for the moment the politicians aren't implementing any new ways to screw us.
    Absolutely!!! When there's "gridlock", it's not necessarily a bad thing at all. (unless you're trying to get somewhere in traffic, and some high-falutin politician has the roads blocked for his/her own convenience)

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  • rogue06
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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

    I don't know why you people think gridlock is so bad --- if you can't get a supermajority to agree on something, maybe it doesn't need to be done. If HALF of Congress wants to do something, and the other HALF does not, maybe they should focus on things on which they can agree.

    We 'hire' our representatives and senators to oppose bad ideas as well as support the ones we want.
    Gridlock means that at least for the moment the politicians aren't implementing any new ways to screw us.

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

    People call it "gridlock". Our Founding Fathers called it "checks and balances". If elected representatives were doing their job right, then it should never be necessary to force legislation through with a slim party line majority.
    Yes, sir - so if "the other side" is keeping us from doing something we want, it's called gridlock.
    If our side is keeping the other side from doing something we don't want, it's checks and balances.



    But, seriously --- I have long made it a principle that, in church business meetings, if there's not a clear overwhelming majority wanting to do something (buy new hymnals, divert mission funds to a different mission opportunity, etc) then I always suggest we back off and pray on it, and come back to it when there's greater interest. It's all about unity.

    Joe preached a pretty good 'unity' sermon at the outset, but has been incredibly partisan every since elected.

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  • rogue06
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    Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    There is no valid comparison to be made rogue. We are dealing with the difference between past incompetence and present competence
    Go on, pull the other one.

    Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    previous strong autocratic and corrupt tendencies and current respect for the office and those that are competent at their jobs, not loyal to the man.
    Are you trying to make a stuffed bird laugh?


    Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    And the speed with which the vaccines have made their way into America's arms is just one example of the extreme benefit of that change.
    It is almost like it's moving at [Operation] Warp Speed

    Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    So far there is nothing about Biden that speaks of autocratic tendencies. Executive orders were extreme with the previous administrations but the most abused (imo) in the previous.
    Good thing you put that "imo" in there.

    You mean old Joe's EOs that have dismantled girls and women's sports? Or the EO that caused the price of insulin and EpiPens to shoot up several fold? Or the EOs that are causing the current crisis at the border and returned putting "kids in cages"? The EO requiring that everyone wear a mask while on federal property -- something both he and his family routinely ignore? The EO that killed thousands of well paying jobs putting folks on the unemployment line and requiring the use of more polluting tankers and rail cars?

    Yeah, those were horrible things that needed immediate fixing.


    Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    That trend is a product of polarization and gridlock, and not by itself an indicator of autocratic leanings. Nor is there any valid indication Biden himself does not know what he is doing or is not in fact functioning at a high level. Those are myths invented by certain types of media pundits and outlets.

    Old Joe showing that he "know[s] what he is doing"

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  • Mountain Man
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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

    I don't know why you people think gridlock is so bad --- if you can't get a supermajority to agree on something, maybe it doesn't need to be done. If HALF of Congress wants to do something, and the other HALF does not, maybe they should focus on things on which they can agree.

    We 'hire' our representatives and senators to oppose bad ideas as well as support the ones we want.
    People call it "gridlock". Our Founding Fathers called it "checks and balances". If elected representatives were doing their job right, then it should never be necessary to force legislation through with a slim party line majority.

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post

    There is no valid comparison to be made rogue. We are dealing with the difference between past incompetence and present competence, previous strong autocratic and corrupt tendencies and current respect for the office and those that are competent at their jobs, not loyal to the man. And the speed with which the vaccines have made their way into America's arms is just one example of the extreme benefit of that change.

    So far there is nothing about Biden that speaks of autocratic tendencies. Executive orders were extreme with the previous administrations but the most abused (imo) in the previous. That trend is a product of polarization and gridlock, and not by itself an indicator of autocratic leanings. Nor is there any valid indication Biden himself does not know what he is doing or is not in fact functioning at a high level. Those are myths invented by certain types of media pundits and outlets.
    I don't know why you people think gridlock is so bad --- if you can't get a supermajority to agree on something, maybe it doesn't need to be done. If HALF of Congress wants to do something, and the other HALF does not, maybe they should focus on things on which they can agree.

    We 'hire' our representatives and senators to oppose bad ideas as well as support the ones we want.

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  • oxmixmudd
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    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
    For the man who sits at his desk signing one executive order after another (while openly admitting that he has no idea what he's even signing) to be criticizing the alleged autocracy of anyone else would be risking creating something consisting of weapon's grade irony and hypocrisy
    There is no valid comparison to be made rogue. We are dealing with the difference between past incompetence and present competence, previous strong autocratic and corrupt tendencies and current respect for the office and those that are competent at their jobs, not loyal to the man. And the speed with which the vaccines have made their way into America's arms is just one example of the extreme benefit of that change.

    So far there is nothing about Biden that speaks of autocratic tendencies. Executive orders were extreme with the previous administrations but the most abused (imo) in the previous. That trend is a product of polarization and gridlock, and not by itself an indicator of autocratic leanings. Nor do I see any valid indication Biden himself does not know what he is doing or is not in fact functioning at a high level. IMO, those are myths invented by certain types of media pundits and outlets.
    Last edited by oxmixmudd; 05-01-2021, 07:30 AM.

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  • rogue06
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    Originally posted by Starlight View Post
    Do you mean politicians? Or lobbyists? Or government workers?

    Assuming you mean politicians, I had a look into the numbers. Your rate of pay for politicians is similar to ours, and is higher than many jobs but lower than senior managers would receive in any major company.

    The pay rate in our countries for politicians is not high enough to make anyone 'filthy rich', and American politicians who are particularly rich (e.g. Trump, Pelosi) are rich due to other business interests not political salary (e.g. Trump gave his Presidential salary to charity, and Pelosi's congressional salary across 34 years accounts for less than 5% of her net worth). You could argue, I suppose that US politicians often engage in insider trading to line their pockets illegally, but that's not quite the same thing.
    Did you come across any numbers for how many go to Washington from the upper middle class but managed to return multi-millionaires?

    Originally posted by Starlight View Post
    The average length of service for US congresspeople and senators is about 11 years for each. That's well short of 'for ever'.
    You always get a bunch of one or two term Representatives (usually someone that the voters discover they never should have elected) so they're gone in two to four years. But you also have folks like old Joe who has spent nearly 50 years in Washington.

    And he isn't an anomaly. Don Young has been in the House since 1973 and Patrick "Leaky" Leahy has been in the Senate since 1975.




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  • rogue06
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    Originally posted by Starlight View Post
    In context, within his speech, Biden criticized the autocracy of the Trump administration.
    For the man who sits at his desk signing one executive order after another (while openly admitting that he has no idea what he's even signing) to be criticizing the alleged autocracy of anyone else would be risking creating something consisting of weapon's grade irony and hypocrisy

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  • Gondwanaland
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    Originally posted by Sparko View Post

    I wish we had another Reagan as President. Maybe we can bring him back digitally, like Max Headroom.
    Or.....
    Ronald_Reagan%27s_head.png

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