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Joe Biden: ‘We the People Are the Government’

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  • #16
    Originally posted by Starlight View Post
    In context, within his speech, Biden criticized the autocracy of the Trump administration.
    And after a year of pandemic totalitarianism by his party, that's rich. Almost as rich as a racist dixiecrat like him lecturing us about how racist our country is.
    "I was the CIA director. We lied, we cheated, we stole, it was like... we had entire training courses. It reminds you of the glory of the American experiment." - Mike Pompeo, Secretary of State (source).

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    • #17
      Originally posted by seanD View Post

      And after a year of pandemic totalitarianism by his party, that's rich. Almost as rich as racist dixiecrat like him lecturing us about how racist our country is.
      Yeah, when somebody who has spent his entire adult life sucking on the public teat, and never worked a real job, declares "we the people are the government", forgive me if I'm less than impressed.
      "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

        Does this mean you're 'outraged'?
        Hardly.
        I am Punkinhead.

        "I have missed you, Oh Grand High Priestess of the Order of the Stirring Pot"

        ~ Cow Poke aka CP aka Creacher aka ke7ejx's apprentice....

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Starlight View Post
          In context, within his speech, Biden criticized the autocracy of the Trump administration.
          Up to last month, Biden signed more executive orders than either Obama or Trump at the same point in their presidencies. IOW, Biden more closely resembles an autocrat.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Ronson View Post

            Up to last month, Biden signed more executive orders than either Obama or Trump at the same point in their presidencies. IOW, Biden more closely resembles an autocrat.
            The democrat party = the party of projection.
            "I was the CIA director. We lied, we cheated, we stole, it was like... we had entire training courses. It reminds you of the glory of the American experiment." - Mike Pompeo, Secretary of State (source).

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            • #21
              Originally posted by seanD View Post
              The democrat party = the party of projection.
              Probably the single most common comment I see on Reddit when Americans are discussing politics is:
              "GOP = Gaslight, obstruct, project"

              Not surprising to see you getting things backward.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                Probably the single most common comment I see on Reddit when Americans are discussing politics is:
                "GOP = Gaslight, obstruct, project"

                Not surprising to see you getting things backward.
                You had leftist activists on social media claiming Ma Khia Bryan was killed because of racism and white supremacy. Is it any wonder leftists on reddit, inventing their realities about events, would invent their own reality about the GOP? Certainly no surprise to me.
                "I was the CIA director. We lied, we cheated, we stole, it was like... we had entire training courses. It reminds you of the glory of the American experiment." - Mike Pompeo, Secretary of State (source).

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                  Yeah, when somebody who has spent his entire adult life sucking on the public teat, and never worked a real job, declares "we the people are the government", forgive me if I'm less than impressed.
                  I think overall the biggest mindset difference I see between people in my country and US conservatives, is that in my country people view the government as the servant of the people and controlled by the people, you guys talk as if the government is the enemy of the people and not controllable by the people.

                  Granted the difference could be a result of the fact that my country is far less corrupt and far more democratic than the US, but those are things that it's up to you guys to improve and fix. Obviously you as a nation are morally responsible for how you choose to let your government function and the levels of corruption and undemocraticness you guys seem prepared to tolerate.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by ke7ejx View Post
                    Perhaps it's time for We the People to take a leaf from Iceland's book and find a way to fire the entire government and start again...
                    How do we pull that off?
                    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                    Than a fool in the eyes of God


                    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post

                      He means the same thing Reagan does. I don't get why you guys think he meant something else.

                      ETA: I just listened to it again. What I hear is him invoking the fact that every person in that room is an American citizen. That our government comes from and returns to the people. That the people in that room are not some special elite class of people, but members each one of America, just like you and I, and responsible to it.
                      One of the few times I find myself agreeing with you in politics. If this was something Joe said in a closed room for the ears of Congress only, then I would be troubled by his statement, but since it was a televised public address, we can presume that the words were intended for every US citizen.
                      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                      Than a fool in the eyes of God


                      From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                        How do we pull that off?
                        Improve your democratic systems, thus giving the people more control over who their politicians are and giving the politicians less power to force their own re-elections. e.g.

                        1. Ban gerrymandering, to ensure that the voters are choosing the politicians rather than having politicians choose their voters.

                        2. Replace plurality voting with a ranked choice or proportional voting system that doesn't punish 3rd parties and cause the will of the electorate to be more accurately reflected in who is elected.

                        3. Ban lobbying and large campaign contributions, to prevent special interest groups whispering in the ears of politicians and gifting them enough money win by indoctrinating the voters with endless ads.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                          Probably the single most common comment I see on Reddit when Americans are discussing politics is:
                          "GOP = Gaslight, obstruct, project"
                          Wow, how incredibly authoritative!!! Are you prowling Reddit between the millions of hours of Youtube videos you watch, or simultaneouly?
                          "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                            I think overall the biggest mindset difference I see between people in my country and US conservatives, is that in my country people view the government as the servant of the people and controlled by the people,
                            Exactly what Reagan was saying.

                            you guys talk as if the government is the enemy of the people and not controllable by the people.
                            At times, yes, pretty much. We have people going to DC and staying for ever, getting filthy rich. Do they do that in your country?

                            Granted the difference could be a result of the fact that my country is far less corrupt and far more democratic than the US,
                            That actually wouldn't surprise me.

                            but those are things that it's up to you guys to improve and fix.
                            When the politicians completely control the means by which government can be reformed, it's nearly impossible.

                            Obviously you as a nation are morally responsible for how you choose to let your government function and the levels of corruption and undemocraticness you guys seem prepared to tolerate.
                            Much easier to do at a local level - pretty much impossible on a national level.

                            "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                              Probably the single most common comment I see on Reddit when Americans are discussing politics is:
                              "GOP = Gaslight, obstruct, project"

                              Not surprising to see you getting things backward.
                              Sean made note of the evidence, you made note of someone's slogan. That's the difference between the ideologies.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                                We have people going to DC and staying for ever, getting filthy rich. Do they do that in your country?
                                Do you mean politicians? Or lobbyists? Or government workers?

                                Assuming you mean politicians, I had a look into the numbers. Your rate of pay for politicians is similar to ours, and is higher than many jobs but lower than senior managers would receive in any major company.

                                The pay rate in our countries for politicians is not high enough to make anyone 'filthy rich', and American politicians who are particularly rich (e.g. Trump, Pelosi) are rich due to other business interests not political salary (e.g. Trump gave his Presidential salary to charity, and Pelosi's congressional salary across 34 years accounts for less than 5% of her net worth). You could argue, I suppose that US politicians often engage in insider trading to line their pockets illegally, but that's not quite the same thing.

                                The average length of service for US congresspeople and senators is about 11 years for each. That's well short of 'for ever'. I'll grant you that's high compared to a normal job, and it's about twice the length of the average political career in my country, but I'm not sure that it's so huge that it's a problem. Yes, you have some politicians who spend their whole lives in politics, but so do we (e.g. our recently-departed deputy-leader served longer than Pelosi has). Possibly your biggest problem is age of Senators - they're just too old, and as I've said before, abolishing the Senate would be a good step towards improving the US system.

                                When the politicians completely control the means by which government can be reformed, it's nearly impossible.

                                Much easier to do at a local level - pretty much impossible on a national level.
                                Fortunately a lot of things having to do with federal districts and federal elections are controlled at the state level, making change on those relatively straightforward.

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