Dead end for the left

[Cow Poke]

Yes, but not explicitly the Christian god.

Because that was understood at the time - no need to spell it out.

[Cow Poke]

CP introduced their government charter as evidence of the US's Christian foundation. Since they weren't the first settlers, it isn't relevant to the US's foundation except as an example of what a Christian foundation actually looks like.

No, CP mentioned their government charter as FURTHER evidence of the founding of our nation as pro-God, pro-Christian.

Look at all of the colleges founded in the beginning our nation - CHRISTIAN institutions.

[Roy]

The Christian God was implicit, Roy. They were all Christians, living in a Christian society.

Except for the deists. And the occasional Jew. And all those non-Christian natives.

[Roy]

No, CP mentioned their government charter as FURTHER evidence of the founding of our nation as pro-God, pro-Christian.

Look at all of the colleges founded in the beginning our nation - CHRISTIAN institutions.

You don't seem able to conceive that some Christians (and some deists) might choose to set up a country that wasn't explicitly Christian.

[Roy]

Except for the deists. And the occasional Jew. And all those non-Christian natives.

Oh, and some of the slaves. But of course like the natives, they wouldn't count.

[rogue06]

Except for the deists. And the occasional Jew. And all those non-Christian natives.

They would still be living in what was largely a Christian-based society.

[Sparko]

Except for the deists. And the occasional Jew. And all those non-Christian natives.

Even the deists like Jefferson believed in the Christian God, as well as the Jews (same God) and I don't think they were considering the Indians as part of their society at the time. They were just "heathens"

[Cow Poke]

You don't seem able to conceive that some Christians (and some deists) might choose to set up a country that wasn't explicitly Christian.

Well, certainly! I can conceive of a duck riding a bull chasing a unicorn, but why would I?

The "God" referred to in the Declaration of Independence was very clearly the Judeo Christian God.

You're, perhaps, "conceiving" that 'Some Christians (and some deists)' had in mind Krishna? Muhammad? Bhudda?

C'mon, Roy - you're smarter than this.

[Sparko]

Oh, and some of the slaves. But of course like the natives, they wouldn't count.

The slaves were converted to Christianity, as were the natives, when they became part of the society. In the world view of the founders, the Christian God was the only god, and everyone else were "godless heathens" who needed the gospel preached to them. The idea of "let's set up a country where anyone can worship whatever god (or none) that the want" never crossed their minds.

[Cow Poke]

The slaves were converted to Christianity, as were the natives, when they became part of the society. In the world view of the founders, the Christian God was the only god, and everyone else were "godless heathens" who needed the gospel preached to them. The idea of "let's set up a country where anyone can worship whatever god (or none) that the want" never crossed their minds.

To show how odd it was.... I read the history of a Church near me that was celebrating their 120th anniversary. As part of the festivities, they published a book containing, among many other things, the minutes of business meetings from way back at the founding of the Church.

Shortly after the Civil War, the minutes recorded the fact that, for example, "Jeremiah Williams, slave of John and Mary Johnson, was baptized and received into the fellowship of the Church....."
Such a stark dichotomy --- he's a "brother in Christ" but he's OWNED by a white couple. Numerous such examples.

[Sparko]

To show how odd it was.... I read the history of a Church near me that was celebrating their 120th anniversary. As part of the festivities, they published a book containing, among many other things, the minutes of business meetings from way back at the founding of the Church.

Shortly after the Civil War, the minutes recorded the fact that, for example, "Jeremiah Williams, slave of John and Mary Johnson, was baptized and received into the fellowship of the Church....."
Such a stark dichotomy --- he's a "brother in Christ" but he's OWNED by a white couple. Numerous such examples.

and the whole idea of "separation of church and state" was not because they didn't want Christianity in government, but that they didn't want the Christian church controlling government like the Pope was doing in Europe and they didn't want government controlling the Christian church, like the King did with the Church of England. Other religions never came into consideration.

[Cow Poke]

and the whole idea of "separation of church and state" was not because they didn't want Christianity in government, but that they didn't want the Christian church controlling government like the Pope was doing in Europe and they didn't want government controlling the Christian church, like the King did with the Church of England. Other religions never came into consideration.

Yup -- the whole Danbury Baptist Association thing -- there will be no "state religion" just because Christianity was the dominant religion in the land.

[Sparko]

Yup -- the whole Danbury Baptist Association thing -- there will be no "state religion" just because Christianity was the dominant religion in the land.

Every President has been sworn in on a Christian bible, and every session of Congress opened with a prayer by Christian Chaplains.

[Cow Poke]

Every President has been sworn in on a Christian bible, and every session of Congress opened with a prayer by Christian Chaplains.

Just more historical revisionism by the left.

[Roy]

The Christian God was implicit, Roy. They were all Christians, living in a Christian society.

Except for the deists. And the occasional Jew. And all those non-Christian natives.

They would still be living in what was largely a Christian-based society.

So? Sparko's claim was ridiculous. If he'd said elephants were large and pink, and I'd pointed out that they weren't pink, you'd now be solemnly instructing me that elephants actually were large. Your tribalism is excessive.