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  • Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post
    ...(note: I am not shouting, and typed with the softest fingertip taps on my phone keyboard)...
    You shouted that part, didn't you?

    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

      You shouted that part, didn't you?

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      • So, review...

        Public Sector Unions always pit the interests of the dues-paying members against the communities they serve or protect.
        A Police Union would be a public sector union.
        The BIGGER the Union is, the harder it is to "keep clean", and the more prone to corruption it is.
        Unions are all about two things --- power and money.

        The biggest problems we've seen with policing in the US come from departments with large police unions.
        One of the biggest reasons to have a public sector union is "collective bargaining".
        The union will work it's hardest to get the most money and benefits for the dues-paying members -- at the expense of the communities those dues-paying members serve.

        In the case of the biggest police and fire unions, they have managed to force the municipalities they serve into exorbitant retirement and benefit packages.
        The expense of the pension programs alone for retired members, in many cases, far surpasses the expense of active duty members, and is in ADDITION to that.

        It would be akin to putting the mafia in charge of the Department of Justice.
        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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        • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

          Sure. Unions are bad for police departments.

          Clear enough? Pretty much what I've been saying throughout this entire thread.
          This thread would be a hundred posts long at best if it weren't for all the cavilling intended to induce pettifoggery

          I'm always still in trouble again

          "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
          "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
          "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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          • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
            This thread would be a hundred posts long at best if it weren't for all the cavilling intended to induce pettifoggery
            The gastrification by one particular interlocutioner alone is gawfalling enough to cause a preacher to hyperverbolize profanitatively!

            But I won't. I WON'T!!! The H-E-Double-HockeySticks I won't!!!!!

            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

              The gastrification by one particular interlocutioner alone is gawfalling enough to cause a preacher to hyperverbolize profanitatively!

              But I won't. I WON'T!!! The H-E-Double-HockeySticks I won't!!!!!

              Nobody could play "John Wayne" like John Wayne.

              I'm always still in trouble again

              "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
              "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
              "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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              • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                I believe you have mistaken Sparko for me.
                Sparko quoted my reply to you and I replied to Sparko. It's quite simple to follow the timeline of the posts.
                "It ain't necessarily so
                The things that you're liable
                To read in the Bible
                It ain't necessarily so
                ."

                Sportin' Life
                Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                  Sure. Unions are bad for police departments.
                  So which of your previous statements would you like to see put into practise?

                  Post #288 where your reply included the following:
                  Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                  Get rid of the unions
                  Post # 363
                  Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                  My position is that they should be curtailed, reined in. I'm not proposing they be totally abolished.
                  Post # 377 where your comment included this statement:
                  Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                  Get rid of the PROBLEM unions
                  "It ain't necessarily so
                  The things that you're liable
                  To read in the Bible
                  It ain't necessarily so
                  ."

                  Sportin' Life
                  Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                  • Originally posted by Sparko View Post

                    Please stop the constractulation. That was CP who used an 'archaic' meaning, not I.
                    You quoted my words. Did you not understand them?

                    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                    That archaic usage is not uncommon around these parts. If you didn't keep nit-picking over verbification that nobody but you seems to have any trouble with (or more likely that you see as a gotcha opportunity), conversations would be increasingly fruitful.
                    What archaic usage of words did I employ in my reply that Sparko quoted?
                    "It ain't necessarily so
                    The things that you're liable
                    To read in the Bible
                    It ain't necessarily so
                    ."

                    Sportin' Life
                    Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                    • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                      So which of your previous statements would you like to see put into practise?

                      Post #288 where your reply included the following:

                      Post # 363

                      Post # 377 where your comment included this statement:
                      Yes!
                      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                      • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                        Yes!
                        Point taken.
                        "It ain't necessarily so
                        The things that you're liable
                        To read in the Bible
                        It ain't necessarily so
                        ."

                        Sportin' Life
                        Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                        • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                          Point taken.
                          My very first choice would be to get rid of all public sector unions.
                          Public Sector unions pit interests of the dues-paying members against the tax payers who pay their salaries.

                          Especially with regards to police and education.

                          If the unions can't be eliminated, then SERIOUSLY rein in or eliminate collective bargaining.

                          Did you take the time to Google the difference between Public and Private Sector Unions?

                          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                          • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                            You quoted my words. Did you not understand them?



                            What archaic usage of words did I employ in my reply that Sparko quoted?
                            Where did I say that you did? You really need to stop making things up.

                            I'm always still in trouble again

                            "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                            "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                            "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                            • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                              Where did I say that you did? You really need to stop making things up.
                              She is never wrong, dear brudder - never, not even once.
                              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                              • You appear to going for the options stated in your posts #288 and #363

                                Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                                My very first choice would be to get rid of all public sector unions.
                                Why? On what grounds?


                                Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                                If the unions can't be eliminated, then SERIOUSLY rein in or eliminate collective bargaining.
                                How do you propose that could be achieved?



                                "It ain't necessarily so
                                The things that you're liable
                                To read in the Bible
                                It ain't necessarily so
                                ."

                                Sportin' Life
                                Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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