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The Blue Wall of Silence Is Starting to Crack
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"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
I am still waiting for you to answer the questions I have now put to you three times your local police force's police association.
All you need to know, I've already said....
Police Unions are LABOR UNIONS, of which a major component is collective bargaining.
Police Associations are ASSOCIATONS, of which NO component is collective bargaining.
The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post.... blah blah blah blah....... Eliminating labour unionsThe first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYou can't prevent every situation where there are bad people .Which is precisely the point I have been making over several posts. Hence, contrary to your comment I am quite capable of understanding that.
Your suggestion that transferring power away from the unions
and to the Police Chief along with various assorted municipal employees/representatives/politicians is not an automatic guarantee of removing corruption.
you have not [as yet] answered any of my questions concerning checks and balances.
If they're not doing their job - that's a problem for the Mayor (or city manager) and city council.
IF they're not doing their job - that's a problem for the citizenry who elected them.
I can't help it if you're too freakin' stupid to get that.
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Why is my name linked to this post? I didn't write it.
Or are you planting evidence?
Last edited by Cow Poke; 04-29-2021, 10:36 AM."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
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Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostAgain, you keep demanding a perfect solution for every situation. Can you give me an example of this in any field anywhere else? If not, why do you insist on demanding one here and blithely denigrate any proposal that does not meet this criteria?
I have repeatedly asked Cow Poke to suggest some checks and balances he could envisage being implemented with reference to his suggestion that power be transferred from the unions to the Police Chief and assorted others.
There is a danger that the metaphorical pendulum could swing too far in the opposite direction.
"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
That's her "go to".
If the people of the city or town elect a corrupt mayor and city council, they get the government they deserve!
If there is a wall of silence and cover ups how are the people to know their council and mayor are corrupt?
Given the paucity of public knowledge about Watergate in 1972 were those forty seven states culpable for re-electing a crook as a President?"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post......I have repeatedly BADGERED Cow Poke....
The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
Fify/nc"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostI know now that you will not answer my questions because despite your posturing you do not have the information required.
The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
Cool, keep waiting, because all that is is a derail, and I'm not playing.
All you need to know, I've already said....
Police Unions are LABOR UNIONS, of which a major component is collective bargaining.
Police Associations are ASSOCIATONS, of which NO component is collective bargaining.
Who runs it?
Who works in it?
Who pays for it?
What services does it provide for officers?
Or does my previous post still stand?"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostI am not demanding a "perfect solution" so kindly stop attributing things to me I have not written.
This is one of those instances where actions speak louder than words.
I'm always still in trouble again
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
We know this now answer the question with reference to your own police department's police association.
Who runs it?
Who works in it?
Who pays for it?
What services does it provide for officers?
Or does my previous post still stand?
There, you have your answer.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
You're about to prove your above statement wrong....
No - get RID of the "Police Unions" that have been enabling, protecting and defending bad cops. PERIOD. No "transfer of power".
The Police Chief doesn't need power "transferred" to him/her --- he/she should be allowed to exercise the power they're supposed to have by virtue of their office.
Actually, yes, I have ---- Allow "Command" to do their job.
If they're not doing their job - that's a problem for the Mayor (or city manager) and city council.
IF they're not doing their job - that's a problem for the citizenry who elected them.
I can't help it if you're too freakin' stupid to get that.
Or are you planting evidence?
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Then kindly delete it and re post under your own avatar. Or is that task not possible for you?"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostI will repeat the question I put to you earlier.
If there is a wall of silence and cover ups how are the people to know their council and mayor are corrupt?
Given the paucity of public knowledge about Watergate in 1972 were those forty seven states culpable for re-electing a crook as a President?
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostI am not defending unions that protect "bent coppers". I am pointing out that both sides are open corruption. And if you had read actually bothered to read all my replies to Cow Poke you would know that I fully accept there is always a risk of corruption.
However, checks and balances need to be put in place so ensure that honest officers can report legitimate concerns without fear of intimidation from their peers, higher ranks and/or local representatives/politicians/judiciary.
Eliminating labour unions and placing the power with the Police Chief and/or representatives from the municipal authority and/or local politicians does not automatically guarantee an end to corruption.
Surely that is self evident, isn't it?
So, what is your solution? Remember, it has to be a solution that is a complete guaranteed end to police corruption, since that is the standard you seem to be holding Cow Poke to.
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