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I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostMy mistake. I didn't know that you were expecting a perfect, flawless solution. One that will work in every case regardless of circumstances 100% of the time. Just like we commonly have with nearly every endeavor we encounter in our daily lives.
I said that such a move would "make a tremendous difference," not that it was a panacea frau dummkopf.
There have to be checks and balances. Cow Poke has yet to put forward his suggestions for such measures."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
Either you are amazingly ignorant or simply dishonest. That was NOT the totality of the situation
Let us [to use a phrase] "cut to the chase". In your proposed suggestion where the power is removed from the unions and placed with the Police Chief as well as with local representatives and/or politicians:- What systems would you establish for police officers to raise concerns [without fear of intimidation and/or harassment] about their fellow officers, regardless of rank?
- To what organisation/authority would they address those concerns?
- What systems would you establish to ensure bullying and intimidation were reduced?
- What systems/procedures would you put in place for local government/council employees to raise concerns about elected representatives including [as with Sparko's brother's experience] the DA and other figures in the local judiciary?
- And lastly what policies do you consider could be introduced to reduce the influence of organised crime?
Of course we all know that corruption can never be entirely eliminated from within police forces [or indeed any powerful and hierarchical organisation] but surely US society needs to ensure that insofar as it is humanly possible it is inhibited, deterred, thwarted, and prevented among those authorised To Protect and To Serve.
Hence the question posed at the end of my OP: Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
Well, that would be a first.
or your inability to comprehend that I actually HAVE answered your questions.
You're certainly entitled to think that, but the MAJOR part that you can't seem to comprehend is COLLLECTIVE BARGANING of a LABOR UNION being the answer.
LABOR UNIONS protect their DUES PAYERS, pretty much at any cost.
Police Associations do not.
I even tried explaining how LABOR UNIONS work in this regard, and even ABSENT a "Police Association", the fact that there is not a LABOR UNION is, in and of itself, fundamental.Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
I can - but trying to explain that to you when you can't even grasp the significance of NOT having LABOR UNIONS was laborious enough."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
or your inability to comprehend that I actually HAVE answered your questions.
Is this police association that exists within your police department similar to a union?
That is:
Is it financed by its members?
Does it have a legally binding constitution?
Do its members have an input into the appointment of officials/representatives?
If not:
Who runs it?
Who works in it?
Who pays for it?
What services does it provide for officers?
Now can you answer those questions or not?"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
The point I am making is
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostYour "point" is crystal clear for everyone to see.
I am also pointing out that simply transferring power from one side to the other, without adequate checks and balances, does not remove the risk of corruption. That simple fact seems to have been missed.
As Sparko noted his honest cop brother was at the mercy of a corrupt chief "and his buddies" who attempted "to get rid of" him [mercifully for Sparko's brother and his relatives that was not a euphemism].
Furthermore those corrupt officials had the assistance of "the county DA".
No police union was involved in that particular corruption scandal."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostKeep a look out for Grey Brother.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostYet another great story most people only know through the Disney-ified version
I do hope your back is all right though!"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
The point I am making is that merely transferring power to the [for want of a better word] "management" does not in, and of itself, remove the risk of corruption, as the incident related by Sparko demonstrates.
There have to be checks and balances. Cow Poke has yet to put forward his suggestions for such measures.
We need every cop to wear a body camera. We need to curb the power of police unions, the biggest protectors of the blue wall. And we need officers of all stripes to back the words of those 14 in Minneapolis. They said, “This is not who we are.” Now prove it.
Are you too freakin' stupid to comprehend this? Your attempt to derail this is noted and rejected.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
They're in your article....
We need every cop to wear a body camera. We need to curb the power of police unions, the biggest protectors of the blue wall. And we need officers of all stripes to back the words of those 14 in Minneapolis. They said, “This is not who we are.” Now prove it.
Are you too freakin' stupid to comprehend this? Your attempt to derail this is noted and rejected."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
How would any of that have prevented the situation that @Sparko's brother's found himself in?
POLICE UNIONS are a big problem -- they happen to be present in the vast majority of "bad cop" situations that hit the national stage.
In the Chauvin situation - which triggered this thread - it was most CERTAINLY a problem.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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