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What does "free speech" really mean?
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Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
So, you think free speech really means "don't voice opinions" at certain times.
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
The question posed in the thread's title is "What does 'Free Speech' really mean?" Not "What is free speech?"
Hence my opinion on what it "means" seems to make sense. We are free to employ free speech but on occasion it is judicious not to do so.
Sounds alot like Gay Marriage really means "Don't get married" in certain areas.
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Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
Which is interesting. But that's not an answer to the question of "What is free speech" which you claimed this was an answer to.
Hence my opinion on what it "means" seems to make sense. We are free to employ free speech but on occasion it is judicious not to do so.
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Originally posted by Electric Skeptic View PostTo my (limited) knowledge, today "person of colour" is acceptable...yet "coloured person" is not. I don't really see the logic there.
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Originally posted by Juvenal View Post
While acknowledging the need to form an accessible alternative, I dislike that formulation because of its awkwardness.
I refuse to use it in conversation myself, even if it means a constant struggle to work around it, often at the expense of the brevity I prefer. In fact, if anyone's interested, most of my posts start out as long-winded rambles that are then pruned back ruthlessly until just the gist remains, or at least, that's the plan, lol.
Before I'll use that phrase, I'll reformulate it as "words or phrases that are hurtful based on having historically been used to denigrate whole classes of people based on their race." I balk at "people of color" for the same reason, but I'll use it while pointing out obliquely that replacing the preposition with the natural adjective runs afoul of the same historical minefield.
There is a slew of would-be euphemisms that have failed sequentially. Each replacement for retarded, which was originally created as a euphemism, has had a shorter and shorter half-life, it seems to me. Special became challenged became ...
Perhaps it's too reductionist, and it doesn't always work for me, but my principle is pretty simple: Think about how you'd treat your neighbor's dog, and try to treat your neighbor at least as well as that. When it works for me, I feel good about myself, and when it doesn't, I don't.
As you touch on, a similar journey can be taken through the acceptable terms for people of African descent in America. Words used decades (or even centuries) ago in polite company to describe such a person might get you a slap in the face (at best) today. To my (limited) knowledge, today "person of colour" is acceptable...yet "coloured person" is not. I don't really see the logic there.
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
In my opinion there are occasions when it is judicious not to utilise the freedom of free speech. I hope that makes it clearer for you.
I also refer you to my oft mentioned observations on Streicher.
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
You definitely can't prove that from the actual text of the First Amendment.
Frankly, I think the Framers blew it by not being more prescient and specific in their wording. They left too much up to later interpreters.
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Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
That doesn't answer the question:
How is that at all related to free speech?
I also refer you to my oft mentioned observations on Streicher.
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
Tact is sometimes the best option along with good manners of course.
How is that at all related to free speech?
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Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
Your answer to free speech is "keep one's mouth shut" in certain situations? How is that at all related to free speech?
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
That is an interesting but ultimately useless observation. You could say the same about any protection in any of the Amendments. If they don't mean what they say, it is evidence that the Framers failed.
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostConsidering the thread's title "What does "Free Speech" really mean?"
My answer is that in public it is advisable to employ tact and good manners and even, on occasion, keep one's mouth shut [or at the very least count to twenty before saying what is in one's mind].Last edited by CivilDiscourse; 04-18-2021, 08:09 AM.
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Originally posted by Juvenal View Post
There is a slew of would-be euphemisms that have failed sequentially. Each replacement for retarded, which was originally created as a euphemism, has had a shorter and shorter half-life, it seems to me. Special became challenged became ...
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
A slightly worse one.
Let's try starting by saying I don't want a public answer, or even a private answer to this question. I don't even want you to think about it. I just want it to be a question you'd consider thinking about. Why is it okay to grant grace to a racist who's being honored by a plaque or monument or whatever it was while denying that grace to a public servant who's devoted his life to preventing deaths from infectious diseases?
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