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"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostNo need for a treaty if war was never actually declared I guessThe first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Ronson View Post
Almost guaranteed. The pull-out date is too obviously symbolic and not practical; just for show.
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Originally posted by seanD View Post
Only reason I think this has teeth this time is that Biden gets no political benefit from it. He's not a good guy, is as much an establishment toady and a warmonger as they come, so we know he's not doing this out of any sort of anti-war principle. If he had said this during the elections, that would be different. I really think we're gearing up towards a major conflict in the very near future.
https://apnews.com/article/biden-bip...af33f013c9a954
Secondly, there is a faction here that wants to bloody Putin's nose in Ukraine and show him who's boss in the region and in the world. Sure, aside from ICBMs, Russia is no match for the US. I think this militaristic faction is counting on Putin backing down or taking some lumps in a conventional sense, without it escalating. I hope these people don't get their way. I think it's a stupid idea to (as Rand Paul put it) "tweak the nose" of Russia for no good reason. Troops amassing along the Polish border or the Baltic states, sure, that's cause for alarm and countermeasures. But Ukraine is outside of our sphere of influence and treaties and the United Nations is the one to protest and make threats about it. Not the US.
I don't see the US getting into a conflict with Iran; Biden wants to make friends with those mullahs. And Kim is too crazy and unpredictable to battle with. China ... eh .... I think Biden and his entourage wants to sidle up to China. For whatever reason, they simply don't see a danger there.
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Originally posted by Ronson View Post
Two things. First, I don't believe this has teeth because I don't think he really means it. It is a soundbite to get a little mileage from the anti militarists on the right, at a time when he's yapping about bi-partisanship. He wants their blessing on his infrastructure plan and tax hikes, so this is a symbolic gesture. "Oh yeah, the US is going to pull out the last of our troops on the 20th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks." If it happens I will be surprised, but I'm not counting on it.
https://apnews.com/article/biden-bip...af33f013c9a954
Secondly, there is a faction here that wants to bloody Putin's nose in Ukraine and show him who's boss in the region and in the world. Sure, aside from ICBMs, Russia is no match for the US. I think this militaristic faction is counting on Putin backing down or taking some lumps in a conventional sense, without it escalating. I hope these people don't get their way. I think it's a stupid idea to (as Rand Paul put it) "tweak the nose" of Russia for no good reason. Troops amassing along the Polish border or the Baltic states, sure, that's cause for alarm and countermeasures. But Ukraine is outside of our sphere of influence and treaties and the United Nations is the one to protest and make threats about it. Not the US.
I don't see the US getting into a conflict with Iran; Biden wants to make friends with those mullahs. And Kim is too crazy and unpredictable to battle with. China ... eh .... I think Biden and his entourage wants to sidle up to China. For whatever reason, they simply don't see a danger there.
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Originally posted by seanD View PostWonder if intelligence will accuse Biden of ignoring bounties being put on US troops by the Russians in order to stop it. Guess we'll find out just how partisan driven the Pentagon is when it comes to dismantling their voracious appetite for war.
[*story continues at hyperlink above*]
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostWell, surprise, surprise, surprise!
[*story continues at hyperlink above*]
Notice the sequence of dates with the NYT story. What a coincidence
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Originally posted by seanD View Post
From what I recall, the Reps were never against keeping troops there. There as much military establishment toadies as Biden is, with the exception of maybe Rand Paul who's an outlier. I would think this would hurt his efforts at bipartisanship with the Reps, especially if the Pentagon and intelligence starts crying about it.
https://thenewamerican.com/tulsi-gab...r-with-russia/
Tulsi Gabbard: Biden Is Moving Us Toward Nuclear War With Russia
The Biden administration’s policies could land us in a war with Russia, resulting in “suffering beyond comprehension, hundreds of millions of people dying” and “the end of the world as we know it.”
So said former Hawaii Democrat congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard on Monday, April 12, on Tucker Carlson Tonight, warning that a failure to deescalate tensions with Moscow over Ukraine could result in nuclear conflict.
What concerns Gabbard was reflected in actions the Biden administration took just today, as it “imposed a broad array of sanctions on Russia to punish it for alleged interference in the 2020 U.S. election, cyber-hacking, bullying Ukraine and other ‘malign’ acts,” reported Reuters.
“The measures blacklisted Russian companies, expelled Russian diplomats and placed limits on the Russian sovereign debt market,” the news organ continued.
Despite implicitly showing sympathy for Moscow back when it led the Soviet Union in the 1980s, Democrats have in recent years portrayed Russia as the Devil incarnate. This began in earnest when they made the nation part of a narrative they used to attack President Trump. All the while, Democrats have been largely pandering to China — which has an economy eight times the size of Russia’s and is by far our greatest geopolitical threat — partially because many in the establishment make money off Beijing.
This bias is imperiling us, too, according to Gabbard. Responding to host Tucker Carlson’s question as to whether the Russia-Ukraine situation is moving toward war and if some of our leaders relish the prospect, the former congresswoman stated:It is moving in a very dangerous direction, and the question for the American people is, “Are we willing to go to war with Russia on behalf of Ukraine? And we need to understand that such a war would come at a cost beyond anything that we can really imagine, because this is not a war that is just, “Okay, this is going to be something that’s happening to someone else somewhere else on the other side of the world.”
No, this is something that will directly impact me and you, Tucker, every single one of your viewers and all of our loved ones. This is a war that is not a game; it’s a war in which there are no winners because you’ve got, you know, thousands of nuclear weapons that the United States has aimed towards Russia; Russia has thousands of nuclear weapons aimed towards us that could hit any town or city in America in less than 30 minutes and exact a cost upon every one of us that would result in excruciating death and suffering beyond comprehension; hundreds of millions of people dying and suffering seeing their flesh being burned from their bones.
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Originally posted by Ronson View Post
Some Democrats are anti-hawks (is that a term?) as well.
https://thenewamerican.com/tulsi-gab...r-with-russia/
Tulsi Gabbard: Biden Is Moving Us Toward Nuclear War With Russia
The Biden administration’s policies could land us in a war with Russia, resulting in “suffering beyond comprehension, hundreds of millions of people dying” and “the end of the world as we know it.”
So said former Hawaii Democrat congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard on Monday, April 12, on Tucker Carlson Tonight, warning that a failure to deescalate tensions with Moscow over Ukraine could result in nuclear conflict.
What concerns Gabbard was reflected in actions the Biden administration took just today, as it “imposed a broad array of sanctions on Russia to punish it for alleged interference in the 2020 U.S. election, cyber-hacking, bullying Ukraine and other ‘malign’ acts,” reported Reuters.
“The measures blacklisted Russian companies, expelled Russian diplomats and placed limits on the Russian sovereign debt market,” the news organ continued.
Despite implicitly showing sympathy for Moscow back when it led the Soviet Union in the 1980s, Democrats have in recent years portrayed Russia as the Devil incarnate. This began in earnest when they made the nation part of a narrative they used to attack President Trump. All the while, Democrats have been largely pandering to China — which has an economy eight times the size of Russia’s and is by far our greatest geopolitical threat — partially because many in the establishment make money off Beijing.
This bias is imperiling us, too, according to Gabbard. Responding to host Tucker Carlson’s question as to whether the Russia-Ukraine situation is moving toward war and if some of our leaders relish the prospect, the former congresswoman stated:It is moving in a very dangerous direction, and the question for the American people is, “Are we willing to go to war with Russia on behalf of Ukraine? And we need to understand that such a war would come at a cost beyond anything that we can really imagine, because this is not a war that is just, “Okay, this is going to be something that’s happening to someone else somewhere else on the other side of the world.”
No, this is something that will directly impact me and you, Tucker, every single one of your viewers and all of our loved ones. This is a war that is not a game; it’s a war in which there are no winners because you’ve got, you know, thousands of nuclear weapons that the United States has aimed towards Russia; Russia has thousands of nuclear weapons aimed towards us that could hit any town or city in America in less than 30 minutes and exact a cost upon every one of us that would result in excruciating death and suffering beyond comprehension; hundreds of millions of people dying and suffering seeing their flesh being burned from their bones.
(emphasis mine)
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostWhether Gabbard is right or wrong, imagine how different the coverage would be if a Republican had said this about Trump.
But her question "is it worth it?" is right on the button. Are we willing to risk a nuclear conflict with Russia over Ukraine? Seriously, is Ukraine worth that much to the US? We know for certain that it is worth a lot more to Russia - and I suspect they will go to the mat over it. A reverse situation, say US troops massed along the Mexican border to possibly cross it to go after cartels (or something) and Russia started giving us ultimatums about it, and sanctions, and threats. Mexico is in our backyard and means a whole lot more to us than to Russia, and I can't imagine any US president backing down.
So would Putin back down over Ukraine?
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Originally posted by Ronson View Post
Some Democrats are anti-hawks (is that a term?) as well.
https://thenewamerican.com/tulsi-gab...r-with-russia/
Tulsi Gabbard: Biden Is Moving Us Toward Nuclear War With Russia
The Biden administration’s policies could land us in a war with Russia, resulting in “suffering beyond comprehension, hundreds of millions of people dying” and “the end of the world as we know it.”
So said former Hawaii Democrat congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard on Monday, April 12, on Tucker Carlson Tonight, warning that a failure to deescalate tensions with Moscow over Ukraine could result in nuclear conflict.
What concerns Gabbard was reflected in actions the Biden administration took just today, as it “imposed a broad array of sanctions on Russia to punish it for alleged interference in the 2020 U.S. election, cyber-hacking, bullying Ukraine and other ‘malign’ acts,” reported Reuters.
“The measures blacklisted Russian companies, expelled Russian diplomats and placed limits on the Russian sovereign debt market,” the news organ continued.
Despite implicitly showing sympathy for Moscow back when it led the Soviet Union in the 1980s, Democrats have in recent years portrayed Russia as the Devil incarnate. This began in earnest when they made the nation part of a narrative they used to attack President Trump. All the while, Democrats have been largely pandering to China — which has an economy eight times the size of Russia’s and is by far our greatest geopolitical threat — partially because many in the establishment make money off Beijing.
This bias is imperiling us, too, according to Gabbard. Responding to host Tucker Carlson’s question as to whether the Russia-Ukraine situation is moving toward war and if some of our leaders relish the prospect, the former congresswoman stated:It is moving in a very dangerous direction, and the question for the American people is, “Are we willing to go to war with Russia on behalf of Ukraine? And we need to understand that such a war would come at a cost beyond anything that we can really imagine, because this is not a war that is just, “Okay, this is going to be something that’s happening to someone else somewhere else on the other side of the world.”
No, this is something that will directly impact me and you, Tucker, every single one of your viewers and all of our loved ones. This is a war that is not a game; it’s a war in which there are no winners because you’ve got, you know, thousands of nuclear weapons that the United States has aimed towards Russia; Russia has thousands of nuclear weapons aimed towards us that could hit any town or city in America in less than 30 minutes and exact a cost upon every one of us that would result in excruciating death and suffering beyond comprehension; hundreds of millions of people dying and suffering seeing their flesh being burned from their bones.
(emphasis mine)
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Originally posted by seanD View Post
Both her and Paul are outliers, and they're consistent in their principle. Dems are only anti-war when it isn't their side waging it (most times at least, and this is definitely historically inconsistent). Reps are always pro-war to matter which side is waging it.
IMO, the US should forget Ukraine. It is of no strategic or resource significance to the US. It's like China invading Tibet or India invading Bangla Desh. They aren't important to us. They are regional issues so the UN can spearhead countermeasures.
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Originally posted by seanD View PostWonder if intelligence will accuse Biden of ignoring bounties being put on US troops by the Russians in order to stop it. Guess we'll find out just how partisan driven the Pentagon is when it comes to dismantling their voracious appetite for war.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/us-int...merican-troops
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/nat...admin-n1264215
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/y...tan-after-all/
https://nypost.com/2021/04/15/russia...to-hurt-trump/
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Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post
Oh yeah, by the way, those 'bounties'? Looks like they likely never even existed.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/us-int...merican-troops
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/nat...admin-n1264215
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/y...tan-after-all/
https://nypost.com/2021/04/15/russia...to-hurt-trump/
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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