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  • #76
    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
    I've heard some people speculate that he didn't know that there was a warrant out for his arrest. Given that he decided not to go to court (or even attend a zoom session), it is inconceivable that he wasn't aware that there was a warrant out for his arrest. It is likely why he struggled and tried to get in his car to run away. He knew he was going to jail.
    True, although I guess the argument is slightly feasible given that his gross misdemeanor from what I understand was for..... fleeing the police. So I guess they could argue that's just in his nature to run from police , but yeah, highly doubtful he didn't know he was going to get a warrant for skipping court - that's something you're usually informed of when you're charged in the first place.

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    • #77
      Originally posted by Roy View Post
      Come off it, CP. Running away is not fighting.
      Off what? Resisting arrest and running away is most certainly initiating a fight. Unless you think the cops are gonna say "gosh golly, I guess we'll get him next time". Come on, Roy, you're smarter than this.
      "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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      • #78
        Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post

        I am a white, law-abiding male from a white, law-abiding family, and *I* was given "the talk" decades ago.

        What should not be necessary is making "the talk" a matter of race or gender.
        And, again, SHOULD NOT be necessary doesn't Trump "it's the smart thing to do".
        "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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        • #79
          Originally posted by Roy View Post
          It gives a false impression of the victim.
          As best I can tell from the video, the shooter didn't know there was a gun violation, just that there was an outstanding warrant.
          An outstanding warrant ALWAYS changes the situation, and not knowing what the warrant is for necessitates assuming the worst.
          "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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          • #80
            Originally posted by Gondwanaland View Post

            It is when you were being held with your hands behind your back, getting cuffs put on your wrists.
            Absolutely - it drastically changes the dynamic. And I think Roy knows that.
            "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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            • #81
              Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
              Do you remember the Clinton appointed judge who ruled that running from the police was just a natural response for some people and therefore not illegal? IIRC, it involved a case up in Michigan.
              Yeah, but if I recall, that was prior to actual contact. In other words, a patrol car drives down the block, and three guys break into a run --- that's not a crime, nor can it be used as a premise for an arrest. But once they're being detained, running becomes a problem.
              "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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              • #82
                Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                Yeah, but if I recall, that was prior to actual contact. In other words, a patrol car drives down the block, and three guys break into a run --- that's not a crime, nor can it be used as a premise for an arrest. But once they're being detained, running becomes a problem.
                IIRC it was a standard traffic stop with everyone bailing as soon as the vehicle pulled over situation. .

                I'm always still in trouble again

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                  IIRC it was a standard traffic stop with everyone bailing as soon as the vehicle pulled over situation. .
                  I don't remember that - but that sure sounds a lot more suspicious than a bunch of guys standing on the corner breaking into a run. (That's suspicious enough in itself, of course)
                  "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                    I don't remember that - but that sure sounds a lot more suspicious than a bunch of guys standing on the corner breaking into a run. (That's suspicious enough in itself, of course)
                    I think that a lot of this was made moot by Illinois v. Wardlow in 2000 when the SCOTUS ruled that if a person in a high-crime neighborhood runs in "unprovoked flight" from a police officer, that the standard of reasonable suspicion has been met

                    I'm always still in trouble again

                    "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                    "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                      I think that a lot of this was made moot by Illinois v. Wardlow in 2000 when the SCOTUS ruled that if a person in a high-crime neighborhood runs in "unprovoked flight" from a police officer, that the standard of reasonable suspicion has been met
                      Which brings us back to the cop shows where they're looking for a specific individual, they spot him, and from a block away, they yell his name....... and the chase is on!
                      "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                        Which brings us back to the cop shows where they're looking for a specific individual, they spot him, and from a block away, they yell his name....... and the chase is on!
                        Gotta make the drama quota.

                        I'm always still in trouble again

                        "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                        "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                          Gotta make the drama quota.
                          And "cut to the chase".
                          "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                            And "cut to the chase".
                            One of the best police chase scenes ever was Steve McQueen's in Bullit

                            I'm always still in trouble again

                            "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                            "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                              If ever someone could be charges with being criminally stupid it is the officer who shot this guy. But you're right. It definitely isn't murder. There was no intent.
                              I'm not even sure she was criminally stupid. Mistakes happen, but at the same time, it was her job to make sure they did not happen. There are so many sad things about this case it's somewhat overwhelming. I am sympathetic to all involved on this one. Not sympathetic to continued rioting after the release of the video. There was no intent here. It was a tragic mistake and both the shooter and the victim made fatal mistakes any one of which avoided would have left the man alive and unharmed.

                              Though I doubt we'll ever be told, I'd really like to know what, if anything, caused her to have her gun in her hand in the first place. She had just trained a rookie that day IIRC, and knew first hand what could happen if one mixes the two from her involvement in a previous and similar case. So what lapse in protocol, what immediate distraction resulted in her holding a gun instead of a taser. She clearly thought what she had in her hand was a taser.

                              Mockery is the argument of the mentally and/or emotionally challenged.

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                                One of the best police chase scenes ever was Steve McQueen's in Bullit
                                There was a Blue Bloods episode where "the Bullitt Mustang" had been in transport, was reported stolen, recovered, etc..... and the Blue Blood cops (including gramps) got a special showing of the original.... great episode!!!

                                bullit.jfif

                                Sadly....

                                Q: On the episode of “Blue Bloods” titled “The Bullitt Mustang,” was the car shown at the end the original Mustang from the movie?

                                A: Viewers of that episode of the CBS drama will recall that it revolved around the so-called Bullitt Mustang, the car Steve McQueen drove in the 1968 classic Bullitt. In the episode, what was thought to be the car from the movie was in fact a fake, but a second car seen at the show’s end is presented as the real thing.

                                Unfortunately, according to CBS, that was just some dramatic license. The telecast featured two authentic 1968 Mustangs, but neither is the car from the film. The location and owner of the actual car from the film have been much discussed by car buffs, though I did not see an answer I thought definitive enough to mention here.

                                "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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