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  • #31
    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
    With a man that has multiple warrants out for his arrest ...
    Multiple warrants? All the sources I've found say there was just one.
    Originally posted by Gondwanaland
    That indicates to me you don't knowwhat you are talking about. A wanted felon,...
    Felon? The sources I have found say he had committed no felonies, only misdeneanours.
    ... with past gun charges, ...
    Gun charges plural? Again, all the sources I can find say that there was only one such, and that was for carrying a pistol without a permit, not for using one. I think you're the one who doesn't know what they're talking about.
    ... fought police ...
    Fought? Got away from, maybe, but not "fought".
    Originally posted by Cow Poke
    What cannot be overlooked, however, is the fact that this is a woman trying to arrest a man.
    A woman? There were actually three police officers, at least one of whom was a man, trying to arrest a man.
    And y'all wonder why there is such a growing distrust of the MSM.
    It's not the MSM I have a growing distrust of.
    Last edited by Roy; 04-13-2021, 11:38 AM.
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    • #32
      Originally posted by Roy View Post
      Multiple warrants? All the sources I've found say there was just one.

      Felon? The sources I have found say he had committed no felonies, only misdeneanours.

      Gun charges plural? Again, all the sources I can find say that there was only one such, and that was for carrying a pistol without a permit, not for using one. I think you're the one who doesn't know what they're talking about.
      Fought? Got away from, maybe, but not "fought".

      A woman? There were actually three police officers, at least one of whom was a man, trying to arrest a man.
      It's not the MSM I have a growing distrust of.
      If he did not resist would he be alive today? Yes or no?
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      • #33
        Originally posted by Roy View Post
        Fought? Got away from, maybe, but not "fought".
        It was a lawful arrest, and he attempted to "get away from" by means of "fighting off" the arrest.

        I haven't known you to be such a petty picker of nit, Roy. Trying something new?

        A woman? There were actually three police officers, at least one of whom was a man, trying to arrest a man.
        And I covered this - it's often the case that the male officers don't want to make it look like a female is not capable of doing the job. There is always "the arresting officer", and those who assist. She was, in fact, acting as "the arresting officer".

        It's not the MSM I have a growing distrust of.
        Spoken like a True Lefty.
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        • #34
          Originally posted by seer View Post

          If he did not resist would he be alive today? Yes or no?
          That's not the important question. The important question is whether his level of resistance and danger necessitate the amount of force exercised. Your question is akin to saying

          "If the raped girl did not get passed out drunk, would she have been raped? Yes or No? "

          Sure, her not getting passed out drunk might have saved her from being raped, but it doesn't actually address the rapist or their actions.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by seer View Post

            If he did not resist would he be alive today? Yes or no?
            Almost without a doubt.
            "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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            • #36
              Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post

              That's not the important question. The important question is whether his level of resistance and danger necessitate the amount of force exercised. Your question is akin to saying

              "If the raped girl did not get passed out drunk, would she have been raped? Yes or No? "

              Sure, her not getting passed out drunk might have saved her from being raped, but it doesn't actually address the rapist or their actions.
              Oh sure, I think he should have been tased. Not shot of course. But it was on him - he should not have resisted.
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              • #37
                Originally posted by Roy View Post
                Multiple warrants? All the sources I've found say there was just one.
                1. Does it really matter?

                b)
                Source: Police Shooting of Black Man in Minnesota Sparks Protests


                The incident occurred around 2 p.m. local time when police say they were trying to take a man later identified as Wright, into custody after determining he had outstanding warrants during a traffic stop. Police said the man got back into his car and an officer shot him. The man then drove several blocks before hitting another car.

                Source

                © Copyright Original Source




                Source: DAUNTE WRIGHT SHOOTINGTWINS, WOLVES GAMES POSTPONED... 'Out Of Respect'


                20-year-old Wright was shot and killed by a police officer during a traffic stop Sunday afternoon in the Minneapolis suburb of Brooklyn Center.

                Cops say they were trying to take him into custody after learning he had outstanding warrants ... and Wright attempted to flee.

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                © Copyright Original Source




                However, New York Magazine's Intelligencer says

                After running Wright’s identification, officers found an outstanding warrant for an unspecified gross misdemeanor.


                but when you are Googling stories, this is what we see instead at the link for it

                Officers stopped Wright on Sunday afternoon and determined that he had outstanding warrants -- it is unclear on what charges.


                The Google link says "1 day ago" so it appears that some initial reports had multiple warrants but are now changing them to the singular "warrant" as more information became available.

                The exact same thing happens with local news KCTV5's report which in Google go to a story titled "Minnesota National Guard deployed after crowds protest of daunte wright in officer related shooting" and which clearly states "he had outstanding warrants." But when you click the link now, the story reads Police fire tear gas at protesters in a second night of demonstrations after Minnesota officer fatally shoots Black man, indicating an edit at a later point, and now reads "he had an outstanding warrant."


                Originally posted by Roy View Post
                Gun charges plural? Again, all the sources I can find say that there was only one such, and that was for carrying a pistol without a permit, not for using one. I think you're the one who doesn't know what they're talking about.
                Fought? Got away from, maybe, but not "fought".
                ANY gun violation is going to be a red flag for police. And when he was so desperate to get back to his car for some unknown reason, that gun violation is something that will most definitely be kept in mind.

                And I doubt he traipsed or did a ballet pirouette to get back into his car. It is almost certain that words like "struggled" and "fought" are appropriate.






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                • #38
                  Originally posted by seer View Post

                  Oh sure, I think he should have been tased. Not shot of course. But it was on him - he should not have resisted.
                  Again, His resistance matters only so far as he caused force to be applied. Once it has, his resistance no longer matters, it becomes a question of whether or not the appropriate amount was used.

                  Would you tell a raped girl that "It's on you, you shouldn't have gotten drunk."

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post

                    That's not the important question. The important question is whether his level of resistance and danger necessitate the amount of force exercised. Your question is akin to saying

                    "If the raped girl did not get passed out drunk, would she have been raped? Yes or No? "

                    Sure, her not getting passed out drunk might have saved her from being raped, but it doesn't actually address the rapist or their actions.
                    For the sarcastically impaired the following is said in jest

                    I think a more valid comparison would be a girl who stripped naked, laid spread on a bed and told some guy "Come and get it baby" followed with upending a bottle of liquor and drinking its contents and then passing out shortly after.



                    When you get into any fight you need to be aware how quickly it can escalate. And this is even truer when you get into a fight with someone carrying a firearm.

                    I'm always still in trouble again

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                      I haven't known you to be such a petty picker of nit, Roy.
                      Nit picking is what Roy does.
                      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                      Than a fool in the eyes of God


                      From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by seer View Post
                        Daunte Wright shooting: Brooklyn Center city manager fired after call for due process for police officer

                        'Effective immediately our city manager has been relieved of his duties,' Brooklyn Center mayor Mike Elliott said

                        https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dau...police-officer
                        The Chief resigned... Sad...

                        https://www.foxnews.com/us/live-upda...fatal-shooting
                        Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post

                          Again, His resistance matters only so far as he caused force to be applied. Once it has, his resistance no longer matters, it becomes a question of whether or not the appropriate amount was used.

                          Would you tell a raped girl that "It's on you, you shouldn't have gotten drunk."
                          The girl was a victim. This guy was the perpetrator. Totally different situations.

                          Would your dumb example be the same if someone had been trying to shoot a police officer and got killed? "If he didn't try to shoot the cop, he wouldn't have been killed" "Well that is like saying if the girl didn't pass out she wouldn't have been raped!"


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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Sparko View Post

                            The girl was a victim. This guy was the perpetrator. Totally different situations.

                            Would your dumb example be the same if someone had been trying to shoot a police officer and got killed? "If he didn't try to shoot the cop, he wouldn't have been killed" "Well that is like saying if the girl didn't pass out she wouldn't have been raped!"
                            You see, it would. Apply the question I said was appropriate. "Was the force used appropriate for the situation?" So, if a cop is being shot at, is use of deadly force appropriate? The answer is Yes.

                            Once force has been used, the question of "Should they have complied" is no longer relevant, it is now was it appropriate.

                            To go back to my "dumb example". Once the rape has occured, the question about whether she should have been passed-out drunk is no longer relevant. It is now "should I rape her?" (and of course, the answer there is always "NO".)

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post

                              You see, it would. Apply the question I said was appropriate. "Was the force used appropriate for the situation?" So, if a cop is being shot at, is use of deadly force appropriate? The answer is Yes.

                              Once force has been used, the question of "Should they have complied" is no longer relevant, it is now was it appropriate.

                              To go back to my "dumb example". Once the rape has occured, the question about whether she should have been passed-out drunk is no longer relevant. It is now "should I rape her?" (and of course, the answer there is always "NO".)
                              you are all over the place. The proper response of force has nothing to to with rape.

                              If someone is resisting arrest, no you can't shoot him unless he is posing a deadly danger to the police or others. In this case she was attempting to TAZE him, which would be a proper non-lethal response to someone resisting arrest and attempting to get in his car. He could have been reaching for a hidden weapon in the car for all the officer knew, so incapacitating him with a tazer would have been an appropriate response. Unfortunately, she grabbed her gun instead and killed him, which was an improper use of force.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post

                                Again, His resistance matters only so far as he caused force to be applied. Once it has, his resistance no longer matters, it becomes a question of whether or not the appropriate amount was used.

                                Would you tell a raped girl that "It's on you, you shouldn't have gotten drunk."
                                This always has to go back to that.

                                No, it's not her FAULT for getting raped, but if I love my daughter - and I love both of them - I'm going to do everything in my power to help them understand the risks that get significantly greater when a woman is intoxicated around men.

                                Just like if I were the father of a black man --- I AGREE that "the talk" should NOT be necessary --- but if I love my black son, I'm going to do my best to help him understand that the risks get significantly greater when he resists in a police action.
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