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  • #16
    Originally posted by kccd View Post
    Not to mention that after it had been decided, she was blamed for this happening. Should she not speak up to defend herself?
    It's what politicians do!
    "Neighbor, how long has it been since youíve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?Ē

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    • #17
      Originally posted by kccd View Post

      Not to mention that after it had been decided, she was blamed for this happening. Should she not speak up to defend herself?

      As you say yourself, there is no evidence that she objected to the move nor is there evidence that she is responsible for it.
      The news stories that mention how she was right in the middle of the whole mess are all using the "senior MLB officials" thing meaning anonymous sources

      OTOH, my brother has many connections within MLB and especially the Atlanta Braves organization (one of his closest friends is All of Fame pitcher Tom Glavine), and he's been talking with them about this -- and we talked a few days ago for about an hour or so where it came up.

      Through him I know the names or positions of some of those MLB officials. I also know that at least one of those with the Braves who was privy to what was going on pretty much as it happened, who is saying that Abrams was the motivating force behind the move from Atlanta.

      What all of them agree on is that Abrams and her group, along with the others laid out so many nonnegotiable demands, wanting far, far more than the pregame ceremony celebrating Hank Aaron (who died a short time ago) that would turn into a reminder of how the sport had been strictly segregated for nearly the entire first half of the last century and ending in a celebrating of black's numerous contributions to the game itself. They pretty much wanted to turn it into some sort of quasi-BLM rally and threatening a boycott if their demands weren't met.

      Several say Abrams was encouraging the boycott where as a few say that can't be sure that she actually supported it because she wasn't present when the threat of a boycott was officially issued. A couple of those who think she was encouraging it believe she didn't attend because she wanted just this sort of deniability. They (as others have as well), pointed to how Abrams pretty much started this show having registered the domain name Jim Crow 2.0 a couple of weeks prior to this started, as evidence as well as how her group was at the center of everything right up to that meeting.

      And they point to how there were several different "rumors" right before the boycott threat was issued that Abrams wanted the game moved in a protest by MLB that would be even bigger than Coke and Delta's ignorant denunciation.

      Well these two camps hold different views but both hold her responsible. The first think she supported the boycott which resulted in the move to a "less controversial venue." The second was that it isn't known for certain that she did support the boycott but the actions she took, the continually stoking of the flames (the hyperbole that was reported as fact in the MSM but earned old Joe four Pinocchios when he repeated it) brought it on.

      I should note my relating of this is all second and even some third hand hearsay, but only a little over a year ago this was the gold standard for impeccable evidence for y'all so I'm sure you'll give it the same courtesy

      (I need to find a holding my breath smiley)
      Last edited by rogue06; 04-12-2021, 11:31 AM.

      I'm always still in trouble again

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      • #18
        Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post

        Well, if Trump is responsible for people deciding to riot at the capitol after he talked about an election being stolen, then it seems fair that Abrams can be held responsible for the economic damage that came from businesses deciding to take economic action against Georgia in response to her talking about the voter law.
        For the sarcastically impaired the following is said in jest

        Logic is obviously racist. Don't be racist.



        I'm always still in trouble again

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        • #19
          Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
          For the sarcastically impaired the following is said in jest

          Logic is obviously racist. Don't be racist.

          I'm already expecting the response to be that I can't compare because Trumps statements weren't true, without any explanation why truth or falesness has any impact on responsibility

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          • #20
            Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
            The news stories that mention how she was right in the middle of the whole mess are all using the "senior MLB officials" thing meaning anonymous sources

            OTOH, my brother has many connections within MLB and especially the Atlanta Braves organization (one of his closest friends is All of Fame pitcher Tom Glavine), and he's been talking with them about this -- and we talked a few days ago for about an hour or so where it came up.

            Through him I know the names or positions of some of those MLB officials. I also know that at least one of those with the Braves who was privy to what was going on pretty much as it happened, who is saying that Abrams was the motivating force behind the move from Atlanta.

            What all of them agree on is that Abrams and her group, along with the others laid out so many nonnegotiable demands, wanting far, far more than the pregame ceremony celebrating Hank Aaron (who died a short time ago) that would turn into a reminder of how the sport had been strictly segregated for nearly the entire first half of the last century and ending in a celebrating of black's numerous contributions to the game itself. They pretty much wanted to turn it into some sort of quasi-BLM rally and threatening a boycott if their demands weren't met.

            Several say Abrams was encouraging the boycott where as a few say that can't be sure that she actually supported it because she wasn't present when the threat of a boycott was officially issued. A couple of those who think she was encouraging it believe she didn't attend because she wanted just this sort of deniability. They (as others have as well), pointed to how Abrams pretty much started this show having registered the domain name Jim Crow 2.0 a couple of weeks prior to this started, as evidence as well as how her group was at the center of everything right up to that meeting.

            And they point to how there were several different "rumors" right before the boycott threat was issued that Abrams wanted the game moved in a protest by MLB that would be even bigger than Coke and Delta's ignorant denunciation.

            Well these two camps hold different views but both hold her responsible. The first think she supported the boycott which resulted in the move to a "less controversial venue." The second was that it isn't known for certain that she did support the boycott but the actions she took, the continually stoking of the flames (the hyperbole that was reported as fact in the MSM but earned old Joe four Pinocchios when he repeated it) brought it on.

            I should note my relating of this is all second and even some third hand hearsay, but only a little over a year ago this was the gold standard for impeccable evidence for y'all so I'm sure you'll give it the same courtesy

            (I need to find a holding my breath smiley)
            OK, so all of what you reported is hearsay. And that included admission that Abrams was not present when the boycott was announced.

            The fact that she was vocally opposed to the GA voter suppression efforts is not surprising, but does not mean that she was instrumental in getting this MLB move.

            Excusing your reliance on hearsay does not remotely mean that liberals do the same thing. Projection.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by kccd View Post
              OK, so all of what you reported is hearsay.
              Which for you and your ilk was more than sufficient for impeaching a president. Let's see this treated with the same sort of respect since that IS the standard y'all set.

              Originally posted by kccd View Post
              And that included admission that Abrams was not present when the boycott was announced.
              Which at least a few in the front offices of MLB hold as very suspicious since she and her group had routinely invited themselves to all prior meetings.

              Originally posted by kccd View Post
              The fact that she was vocally opposed to the GA voter suppression efforts is not surprising, but does not mean that she was instrumental in getting this MLB move.
              Whether or not it was her expressed intent to get the game moved, it appears that everyone is in agreement that this was her baby and she is ultimately responsible for the outcome. It is like firing a gun off into the air. If by chance your bullet strikes something or someone you are responsible regardless of intent.

              Originally posted by kccd View Post
              Excusing your reliance on hearsay does not remotely mean that liberals do the same thing. Projection.
              Are you hoping everyone has already forgotten the first impeachment circus and the type of evidence presented by the left when you typed that?

              I'm always still in trouble again

              "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
              "Of course, human life begins at fertilization thatís not the argument." --Tassman

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              • #22

                I'm always still in trouble again

                "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                "Of course, human life begins at fertilization thatís not the argument." --Tassman

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