Arkansas bans transgender surgeries and treatments....

[Psychic Missile]

I'm saying that genetic sex is gender! Just because a boy acts feminine or a girl acts masculine doesn'tmean they were born with the wrong parts

Do you think it's possible for a genetic disorder to result in a mismatch between physical and mental sex, similar to the anecdote you referred to in that the mind objects to the body's sex state?

[NorrinRadd]

Tucker kind of tore Asa a new brain holster.

[CivilDiscourse]

The Governor had vetoed this bill, claiming it was govt overreach that went against medical advice as well as against the decisions made by some families.

The legislature decided they should run other people's lives against the wishes of those people.

Maybe we will be seeing more boycotts of all things Arkansas in the near future.

Yes. Economic warfare is always the correct answer to politics you don't like.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

What is the harm of allowing them to wait until adulthood?

This is a social and emotional minefield.

My own views on the current explosion in the desire for sexual reassignment have been stated in another thread.

However, if a pubescent teen/child genuinely seeks this treatment [and the operational word is "genuinely"] then leaving it until after puberty will affect the physical development, especially in M to F reassignment. Men often display broader shoulders and narrower hips than women depending on the physiology of the man and that will impinge on any later surgery. Caitlin Jenner is a case in point. That could be argued to be detrimental to the adult later in their life.

The real question is how much of this trend is genuine and how can we ever know?

Even detailed psychological analysis of a child who wishes to be reassigned cannot offer an absolute.
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[kccd]

The Governor is just a man.
And the legislature has the right and responsibility to override bills they think the governor should not have vetoed.
That's actually how the law is written, and how these things work.



I'm not so sure the woke crowd is SO woke that they agree that children should make permanent decisions over what may be temporary problems.
But, then again, the world seems to have gone nuts, and the inmates are running the asylum.

You and at least one other poster have suggested that these children "grow out of it", but if that is the case, surely there are studies that have followed such children into adulthood. Can you support your claim that this is a temporary problem?

[kccd]

It's definitely a good thing for state politicians to be making medical decisions for other people's children. I trust them more than doctors to decide appropriate treatment. Who cares if they're going against the American Academy of Pediatrics and the America Psychological Association? It's not like professional organizations exist to inform politicians about professional interests. Another victory for small government!

Actually Abraham Lincoln decided that most politicians did not have sufficient knowledge to make decisions about issues that were based on science and technology. So he set up an organization of scientists to do just that - advise govt on science-based policies. The National Academy of Sciences still exists and members are the topnotch scientists in their field. From their mission statement:

The National Academy of Sciences (NAS) is a private, non-profit society of distinguished scholars. Established by an Act of Congress, signed by President Abraham Lincoln in 1863, the NAS is charged with providing independent, objective advice to the nation on matters related to science and technology. Scientists are elected by their peers to membership in the NAS for outstanding contributions to research. The NAS is committed to furthering science in America, and its members are active contributors to the international scientific community. Approximately 500 current and deceased members of the NAS have won Nobel Prizes

[kccd]

Don't forget when the medical experts held that homosexuals were suffering from a mental disorder as late as 1987.

As more data is produced, science, including biomedicine, is expected to alter or change conclusions. This is how science works.

[kccd]

Yes. Economic warfare is always the correct answer to politics you don't like.

Well, conservatives are calling for boycotts of Coke and MLB. But that is somehow different?

[CivilDiscourse]

Well, conservatives are calling for boycotts of Coke and MLB. But that is somehow different?

Did I say it was, or are you just trying to deflect without addressing the point?

[Gondwanaland]

Why do you think that last statement is true?

Because it is.

61 percent resistance rate: https://www.jwatch.org/pa20090128000...ildren-persist

63 percent resistance rate:
https://jaacap.org/article/S0890-856...187-1/fulltext

there are also studies pre-2000 that show even higher resistance rates but there are objections (albeit mostly by trans activists) that the numbers may be inflated by gender nonconforming kids being counted as dysphoric (though I'd suggest it could also be lack of prevalence in jumping onto hormone treatments immediately back then, unlike recent years), so I refrained from including those.

[seer]

Because it is.

61 percent resistance rate: https://www.jwatch.org/pa20090128000...ildren-persist

63 percent resistance rate:
https://jaacap.org/article/S0890-856...187-1/fulltext

there are also studies pre-2000 that show even higher resistance rates but there are objections (albeit mostly by trans activists) that the numbers may be inflated by gender nonconforming kids being counted as dysphoric (though I'd suggest it could also be lack of prevalence in jumping onto hormone treatments immediately back then, unlike recent years), so I refrained from including those.

That is the point isn't it - how can we know with any certainty which child would have naturally grown out of the dysphoria? I see no downside of waiting until adulthood...

[Cow Poke]

As more data is produced, science, including biomedicine, is expected to alter or change conclusions. This is how science works.

No, that's how science SHOULD work - but when there's an agenda, it's always easy for "science" to find a way to support it.

[Cow Poke]

Well, conservatives are calling for boycotts of Coke and MLB. But that is somehow different?

You forgot NFL.

[Cow Poke]

That is the point isn't it - how can we know with any certainty which child would have naturally grown out of the dysphoria? I see no downside of waiting until adulthood...

And how many of these children have other psychological problems, or are receiving bad guidance at home -- like the nutty liberals who decide they'll dress their little boy as a girl, or vice versa.

[Gondwanaland]

That is the point isn't it - how can we know with any certainty which child would have naturally grown out of the dysphoria? I see no downside of waiting until adulthood...

Exactly. Especially given the treatments (not even talking about surgery) increase cancer risks, stroke risks, heart attack risks, and likely other things that haven't even been detected yet. If you wanna do it as an adult, cool, go take those risks.