A Covid Vaccine Passcard

[Cow Poke]

I hear rumblings about a Covid Vaccine Passcard.

Mrs. CP and I just got our TSA screening for UniversalEnroll, and some of the people there were talking about the possibility that a Covid Vaccine Passcard will be required for travel.

Anybody have anything concrete on this?

[seanD]

Just goole it, the topic is mainstream.

[Cow Poke]

Yeah, I was about to, but I was in the middle of some other stuff, and wanted to start the thread before I forgot.
When you're my age, you have to do stuff when you think of it, or it goes away.

What is a ‘vaccine passport’ and will you need one the next time you travel? | World Economic Forum (weforum.org)

wow

[seanD]

It's most definitely coming eventually. Presumably it will be a phone app, but I see a number of potential problems with that, which will likely lead to something more invasive for extra "protection" and "security." How long it takes for us to get there is the only unknown.

[Mountain Man]

The question is, if the government can effectively forcibly compel you to get the China flu vaccine, then what else can they compel you to be injected with?

[Cow Poke]

The question is, if the government can effectively forcibly compel you to get the China flu vaccine, then what else can they compel you to be injected with?

That's my concern - and if I already had Covid (which I did) why do I need the vaccine sooner than 90 days thereafter?

[Sparko]

So the Dems have no problem with making you have an ID card to show you are vaccinated, but requiring one to vote is racist?

[Cow Poke]

So the Dems have no problem with making you have an ID card to show you are vaccinated, but requiring one to vote is racist?

EGGzackly -- I started to say we outta make a deal, but I think a proof of vaccination card is unconstitutional.

[Sparko]

EGGzackly -- I started to say we outta make a deal, but I think a proof of vaccination card is unconstitutional.

I have seen arguments both ways. But private companies can require proof if they want to. And so can other countries. So say, you might not be able to travel into another country without vaccine proof at customs. Or an airline could say you can't fly on their planes without proof of vaccination.

So even if our government can't mandate you be vaccinated or have proof of vaccination, since every private company can, the result could be the same if they all go along with it. Also the company you work for could require all employees be vaccinated unless they have a health excuse and if you don't comply, they could just fire you.

Supreme court says vaccines can be mandatory: https://www.history.com/news/smallpo...-supreme-court
This article says the Federal government can't mandate vaccination: https://www.today.com/health/will-co...datory-t190838

[seanD]

I have seen arguments both ways. But private companies can require proof if they want to. And so can other countries. So say, you might not be able to travel into another country without vaccine proof at customs. Or an airline could say you can't fly on their planes without proof of vaccination.

So even if our government can't mandate you be vaccinated or have proof of vaccination, since every private company can, the result could be the same if they all go along with it. Also the company you work for could require all employees be vaccinated unless they have a health excuse and if you don't comply, they could just fire you.

Supreme court says vaccines can be mandatory: https://www.history.com/news/smallpo...-supreme-court
This article says the Federal government can't mandate vaccination: https://www.today.com/health/will-co...datory-t190838

Exactly. Government, at least in the US, will bypass the constitution by using businesses as a proxy towards this end. And now that government and the fed are printing insane amounts of money to bail out everything and everyone, they'll most likely use bail-out incentives to get business to go along. It looks like it's going to start with the airline companies (which got massive amounts of bailout funds already), and gradually permeate from there.

[Stoic]

This article says the Federal government can't mandate vaccination: https://www.today.com/health/will-co...datory-t190838

Well, it says that Fauci is against mandating vaccinations for the general population, but Fauci never says that it's unconstitutional, and he's not a constitutional scholar anyway.

I doubt that the federal government will mandate vaccinations, but they may be required by other countries, by state or local governments, by businesses, or for certain segments of the population such as health care workers.

[Mountain Man]

Exactly. Government, at least in the US, will bypass the constitution by using businesses as a proxy towards this end.

They could even use OSHA to do their dirty work since it's a regulatory agency that can simply make whatever rules it wants without going through the legal process.

[Cow Poke]

Exactly. Government, at least in the US, will bypass the constitution by using businesses as a proxy towards this end. And now that government and the fed are printing insane amounts of money to bail out everything and everyone, they'll most likely use bail-out incentives to get business to go along. It looks like it's going to start with the airline companies (which got massive amounts of bailout funds already), and gradually permeate from there.

I have a flight booked for Nashville in June -- if they require a "vaccine card" prior to that, they need to refund my airline tickets, because they changed the rules!

[Stoic]

Exactly. Government, at least in the US, will bypass the constitution by using businesses as a proxy towards this end. And now that government and the fed are printing insane amounts of money to bail out everything and everyone, they'll most likely use bail-out incentives to get business to go along. It looks like it's going to start with the airline companies (which got massive amounts of bailout funds already), and gradually permeate from there.

It's not really bypassing the constitution if the constitution allows it.

[mikewhitney]

It's not really bypassing the constitution if the constitution allows it.

It does not. Or did you find an amendment that gives additional powers to them. It is called Fascism when the government uses companies to do its bidding. We are supposed to be a Constitutional Republic.