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  • #31
    Originally posted by kccd View Post
    Are all private schools getting public money opening their doors to anyone who wants to come?
    If they are part of the voucher system, then yes, that would be necessary.

    Including special needs and poor students who will need school lunch programs, etc?
    Sure.

    Who pays for transportation to those private schools?
    If they're included in the voucher system, we certainly can't discriminate against those who choose to attend a better school by making them walk, eh?

    Why are you so bloomin' cold-hearted?

    "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

      If they are part of the voucher system, then yes, that would be necessary.



      Sure.



      If they're included in the voucher system, we certainly can't discriminate against those who choose to attend a better school by making them walk, eh?

      Why are you so bloomin' cold-hearted?
      So parents should not get tax credits or any financial assistance for sending their kids to schools with restricted admission policies? OK

      Private schools are not necessarily close to where potential students live. Busing thousands of kids across a city twice a day, or 3 times including after school activities, would be a big added expense.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by kccd View Post
        So parents should not get tax credits or any financial assistance for sending their kids to schools with restricted admission policies? OK
        Why is it so hard for you to grasp the concept of CHOICE?

        Private schools are not necessarily close to where potential students live. Busing thousands of kids across a city twice a day, or 3 times including after school activities, would be a big added expense.
        So, what - you want to deny them the education of their choosing because of cost? You cold-hearted critter, you!
        And it's beyond your capability of reasoning that new schools would pop up closer to the individuals who need them?

        You know - that wonderful economic principle of supply and demand.
        "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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        • #34
          Originally posted by kccd View Post

          Do you also want to get rid of the Police Unions that protect problematic officers from consequences?
          This is Whataboutism #2 from you in this thread. You wanted to complain when I did it...seems you can't help it.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
            If they are part of the voucher system, then yes, that would be necessary.

            Sure.

            If they're included in the voucher system, we certainly can't discriminate against those who choose to attend a better school by making them walk, eh?

            Why are you so bloomin' cold-hearted?
            A legitimate issue with a voucher program is that it would, necessarily, reduce funds for public schools and schooling in general is capital intensive. Compounding the issue is the federal nature of the Us. If the USA had a more unitary system, the process of educational overhaul would be easier and more efficient. I would agree that part of educational reform should be things like the removal of school admission boundary lines, financial transparency and accountability, principal fiscal flexibility and autonomy, and a state-level property tax.

            Edit: A longer day - four day schedule would be acceptable imo.
            “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”

            -Ghandi (Disputed)

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            • #36
              Originally posted by kccd View Post

              Do you also want to get rid of the Police Unions that protect problematic officers from consequences?
              CP has said multiple times that police unions need to go away or be radically reformed so that bad cops can't be removed. He's been pretty consistent on that
              "What has the Church gained if it is popular, but there is no conviction, no repentance, no power?" - A.W. Tozer

              "... there are two parties in Washington, the stupid party and the evil party, who occasionally get together and do something both stupid and evil, and this is called bipartisanship." - Everett Dirksen

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Diogenes View Post
                A legitimate issue with a voucher program is that it would, necessarily, reduce funds for public schools and schooling in general is capital intensive.
                Initially, quite possibly -- but it would be a wakeup for those schools to figure out why families are abandoning them. As for reducing "schooling in general" - that doesn't follow.

                Compounding the issue is the federal nature of the Us. If the USA had a more unitary system, the process of educational overhaul would be easier and more efficient.
                It pretty much is already a "unitary system" being controlled by the Democrat funded Teachers Unions, which, in turn, donate tons of money to Democrat politicians, who fund the Teachers Unions....

                I would agree that part of educational reform should be things like the removal of school admission boundary lines, financial transparency and accountability, principal fiscal flexibility and autonomy, and a state-level property tax.
                You've made the case for getting rid of Teachers Unions! Just like Police Unions - they resist change, and are always laser focused on their dues paying members, not the students or the public.

                Edit: A longer day - four day schedule would be acceptable imo.
                That's kinda like Daylight Savings Time -- Wise Old Native American - "only the white man thinks that cutting the end off a blanket and sewing it onto the other end makes a longer blanket".
                "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Littlejoe View Post

                  CP has said multiple times that police unions need to go away or be radically reformed so that bad cops can't be removed. He's been pretty consistent on that
                  Kccd seems to have extreme reasoning problems --- if I say "I don't like lemons" he'd come back with something ignorant like "Oh, so you think there should be a law against growing lemons?"

                  I think there's something seriously wrong with that fella.
                  "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by kccd View Post
                    Do you also want to get rid of the Police Unions that protect problematic officers from consequences?
                    Absolutely!

                    Next?

                    "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                      Why is it so hard for you to grasp the concept of CHOICE?
                      The perception among many in the US regarding "school choice" is that it's a code-phrase for "funding religious schools". The perception is that some religious fundamentalists would like to send their kids to schools that indoctrinate their kids with their particular religion and which fail to teach basic science / deliberately don't teach it due to perceived conflicts with their religious views, and they want government funding to do this. In that context it's unsurprising that the poster most vehement on the topic in this forum is a pastor. And it's similarly unsurprising that many political groups are pretty skeptical about 'school choice'.

                      Pretending it's about "CHOICE" seems to deceptively be hiding the fact that it's about religious indoctrination, curriculum quality, and government funding.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Dimbulb View Post
                        The perception among many in the US regarding "school choice" is that it's a code-phrase for "funding religious schools". The perception is that some religious fundamentalists would like to send their kids to schools that indoctrinate their kids with their particular religion and which fail to teach basic science / deliberately don't teach it due to perceived conflicts with their religious views, and they want government funding to do this. In that context it's unsurprising that the poster most vehement on the topic in this forum is a pastor. And it's similarly unsurprising that many political groups are pretty skeptical about 'school choice'.

                        Pretending it's about "CHOICE" seems to deceptively be hiding the fact that it's about religious indoctrination, curriculum quality, and government funding.
                        Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                        But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                        Than a fool in the eyes of God


                        From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                          The perception among many in the US regarding "school choice" is that it's a code-phrase for "funding religious schools"....
                          How did you get to be such a dope?

                          "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                            The perception among many in the US regarding "school choice" is that it's a code-phrase for "funding religious schools". The perception is that some religious fundamentalists would like to send their kids to schools that indoctrinate their kids with their particular religion and which fail to teach basic science / deliberately don't teach it due to perceived conflicts with their religious views, and they want government funding to do this. In that context it's unsurprising that the poster most vehement on the topic in this forum is a pastor. And it's similarly unsurprising that many political groups are pretty skeptical about 'school choice'.

                            Pretending it's about "CHOICE" seems to deceptively be hiding the fact that it's about religious indoctrination, curriculum quality, and government funding.
                            Non-liberals in the US have been arguing for school choice since at least Thomas Sowell, you know, the individual in the video I linked, with no mentioning of religious schools. The history of not allowing religiously-affiliated schools to receive funding is rooted in anti-Catholic sentiment going back to the Blaine amendment.
                            “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”

                            -Ghandi (Disputed)

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                              .....The perception is that some religious fundamentalists would like to send their kids to schools that indoctrinate their kids with their particular religion and which fail to teach basic science / deliberately don't teach it due to perceived conflicts with their religious views, and they want government funding to do this....
                              The perception among whom? The "religious fundamentalists" already have homeschool groups and Christian schools, and don't want to be filled with nutso propaganda like you suck up, while the public schools aren't even teaching proper math and science.

                              Maybe if the public schools would focus on teaching STEM instead of lunatic leftist policies, more people would have greater confidence in the public schools, and not have to look for alternatives.

                              "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                                The perception among whom? The "religious fundamentalists" already have homeschool groups and Christian schools, and don't want to be filled with nutso propaganda like you suck up, while the public schools aren't even teaching proper math and science.

                                Maybe if the public schools would focus on teaching STEM instead of lunatic leftist policies, more people would have greater confidence in the public schools, and not have to look for alternatives.
                                STEM is racist though. #ShutDownSTEM
                                “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”

                                -Ghandi (Disputed)

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