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  • #16
    Originally posted by Watermelon View Post

    .... I don’t know the background here but shouldn’t you fund the one that’s failing and get it working too?
    I'll tell you what - get rid of the Teachers Unions that are the cause for the public schools performing so poorly, and I'll be glad to support funding the schools.
    "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Watermelon View Post

      .... I don’t know the background here but shouldn’t you fund the one that’s failing and get it working too?
      Ever hear the saying "Throwing good money after bad"?
      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
      Than a fool in the eyes of God


      From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

        Ever hear the saying "Throwing good money after bad"?
        I used to post studies that show that the correlation to "more money" and "better education" is actually inverse.

        Haven't looked it up lately.
        "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
          In a voucher system, they would be one of the options that any student - regardless of race - could select.
          This is something that minorities really really want.
          School Vouchers and Race: It’s Complicated:

          in Education Next’s 2016 poll... Only 31 percent of the general public supported using “government funds to pay the tuition of low-income students who choose to attend private schools”...

          The 2015 PDK/Gallup poll... Only 33 percent of African Americans, and 31 percent of respondents overall, favored “allowing students and parents to choose a private school to attend at public expense.”

          1) the evidence does not support the blanket statement that vouchers are “extremely popular with African Americans,” and 2) when respondents understand that vouchers divert public money to private schools, support for these proposals plummets.

          Even more indicative than polling is the widespread failure of statewide voucher ballot measures. For the past thirty years, across six different states, every voucher ballot measure has failed.

          Moreover, Cato—an organization without a single full-time black scholar on staff—is hardly the best qualified place to speak on behalf of the black community.


          So when you say:
          Originally posted by Cow Poke
          Here is a public school that is failing miserably.
          Here is a private school that is actually working.

          Which one do I want to fund?
          The answer, according to polling, including among minorities, is the public schools.

          Originally posted by Diogenes View Post
          For the sarcastically impaired the following is said in jest

          Minorities don't know what they "really really want", only old white Texans like CP do.

          Fixed that for you.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Starlight View Post

            Fixed that for you.

            I don't see how what Cow Poke is saying is different than:

            “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”

            -Ghandi (Disputed)

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Diogenes View Post


              I don't see how what Cow Poke is saying is different than:

              Starlight can always troll the internetzweb and find something that supports his incredibly biased nuttery.

              He appears to have absolutely no clue how much the Teachers Unions have messed up public education in our country, and how much better off our students would be without them.

              When you actually asks minorities, not their overlords, they want the freedom to choose the best schools for their children.
              Who wouldn't?

              And I can play the "find something that agrees with me" game -- the difference being, of course, that I actually live here and have been involved our education system extensively --- Starlight just reads about it on the web and tries really really hard to be relevant.

              Minorities and school choice: How do they feel about it?

              Yes, we must improve public education. At the same time, we must make sure that our children access quality education now.

              For us to have a future, we must have a choice. It’s the only way for our communities to be as strong as possible.
              Growing minority support for school choice can help to open options that we need to narrow the achievement gap. Charter schools, vouchers, ESAs can all help provide low income and minority kids access to a better education – and a better future. Now is the time to hear those voices and expand school choice for those who support it and need it most.

              "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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              • #22
                Ah, the Century Foundation ---- a pinko commie leftist group.

                leftcenter02.png

                Overall, we rate The Century Foundation Left-Center Biased based on advocacy for progressive issues. We also rate them High for factual reporting due to proper sourcing and a clean fact check record.


                Not a research group -- an advocacy group for progressive issues.
                "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                • #23
                  Wasn't FDR pretty firmly opposed to public sector unions even existing at all?
                  Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.

                  Beige Nationalist.

                  "Everybody is somebody's heretic."

                  Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by kccd View Post

                    Did you complain about lack of bipartisanship when the GOP passed their tax cut bill in 2017? The final version of that bill was loong and had handwritten sections written in over the long night before it came up for a vote the next morning. Next to no one had the chance to read it, and some of the marginal content was not legible.

                    OK, by you?
                    What did you say to me? Oh yeah: Whataboutism

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                      School Vouchers and Race: It’s Complicated:

                      in Education Next’s 2016 poll... Only 31 percent of the general public supported using “government funds to pay the tuition of low-income students who choose to attend private schools”...

                      The 2015 PDK/Gallup poll... Only 33 percent of African Americans, and 31 percent of respondents overall, favored “allowing students and parents to choose a private school to attend at public expense.”

                      1) the evidence does not support the blanket statement that vouchers are “extremely popular with African Americans,” and 2) when respondents understand that vouchers divert public money to private schools, support for these proposals plummets.

                      Even more indicative than polling is the widespread failure of statewide voucher ballot measures. For the past thirty years, across six different states, every voucher ballot measure has failed.

                      Moreover, Cato—an organization without a single full-time black scholar on staff—is hardly the best qualified place to speak on behalf of the black community.


                      So when you say:
                      The answer, according to polling, including among minorities, is the public schools.

                      Fixed that for you.
                      Perhaps you should find more recent polls:
                      https://www.educationnext.org/amid-p...ublic-opinion/

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                      • #26
                        If you'd read the article I cited, you would have seen that a single poll which asked questions about school choice in different ways, got a range of 31% support through to 64% support depending on what question was being asked about it.

                        I doubt it's a matter of the poll you cite being more recent, just a matter of how exactly the questions are being phrased. Your link says "Support for school-choice reforms either holds steady or declines modestly since last year" so they're not reporting a recent surge in support for it.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by kccd View Post
                          I seem to recall that Trump (before he lost) advocated going big, with similar payments of $1400 to suffering Americans.
                          One of Trump's worst political decisions.

                          But hey, Americans are getting what they voted for, stupid wasteful porky Democrats on their steady march to destroy the middle class.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                            If you'd read the article I cited, you would have seen that a single poll which asked questions about school choice in different ways, got a range of 31% support through to 64% support depending on what question was being asked about it.

                            I doubt it's a matter of the poll you cite being more recent, just a matter of how exactly the questions are being phrased. Your link says "Support for school-choice reforms either holds steady or declines modestly since last year" so they're not reporting a recent surge in support for it.
                            All you know about our schools is what you read, then you add your leftist slant, employ confirmation bias, and boast about how well informed and educated you are.

                            "Gosh, you should listen to me - I'm well informed and well educated!"
                            "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                              I'll tell you what - get rid of the Teachers Unions that are the cause for the public schools performing so poorly, and I'll be glad to support funding the schools.
                              Do you also want to get rid of the Police Unions that protect problematic officers from consequences?

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                                Starlight can always troll the internetzweb and find something that supports his incredibly biased nuttery.

                                He appears to have absolutely no clue how much the Teachers Unions have messed up public education in our country, and how much better off our students would be without them.

                                When you actually asks minorities, not their overlords, they want the freedom to choose the best schools for their children.
                                Who wouldn't?

                                And I can play the "find something that agrees with me" game -- the difference being, of course, that I actually live here and have been involved our education system extensively --- Starlight just reads about it on the web and tries really really hard to be relevant.

                                Minorities and school choice: How do they feel about it?

                                Yes, we must improve public education. At the same time, we must make sure that our children access quality education now.

                                For us to have a future, we must have a choice. It’s the only way for our communities to be as strong as possible.
                                Growing minority support for school choice can help to open options that we need to narrow the achievement gap. Charter schools, vouchers, ESAs can all help provide low income and minority kids access to a better education – and a better future. Now is the time to hear those voices and expand school choice for those who support it and need it most.
                                Are all private schools getting public money opening their doors to anyone who wants to come? Including special needs and poor students who will need school lunch programs, etc?
                                Who pays for transportation to those private schools?

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