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The Murals of Belfast, Northern Ireland.

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  • #16
    Originally posted by eider View Post
    This one is reminiscent of the Berlin Wall.
    P1) If , then I win.

    P2)

    C) I win.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by seer View Post
      I spent a few days in Belfast before going down to Cork in 75. Belfast was like an armed camp, and the British soldiers did not mess around.
      Yet ironically the British army was brought into Northern Ireland in 1969 to protect the Catholic communities from being attacked by violent Protestant gangs.
      "It ain't necessarily so
      The things that you're liable
      To read in the Bible
      It ain't necessarily so
      ."

      Sportin' Life
      Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

        Yet ironically the British army was brought into Northern Ireland in 1969 to protect the Catholic communities from being attacked by violent Protestant gangs.
        We had a Mormon here who went through all kinds of blame games of the "Protestants", implying "the Troubles" was a religious war. Not so much.

        The Troubles, also called Northern Ireland conflict, violent sectarian conflict from about 1968 to 1998 in Northern Ireland between the overwhelmingly Protestant unionists (loyalists), who desired the province to remain part of the United Kingdom, and the overwhelmingly Roman Catholic nationalists (republicans), who wanted Northern Ireland to become part of the republic of Ireland.


        But this is about the murals.
        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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        • #19
          Any idea what the mood is in NI at the moment? (Aside from the loud sabre rattling from the usual suspects)

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          • #20
            I was on a tour that did 2 stops in NI a few years back. The 20 something guide said 2 things about the troubles: (1) it was about whether they were British or Irish, not religion and (2) her generation says they are neither British nor Irish - they are Northern Irish.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Diogenes View Post

              This one is reminiscent of the Berlin Wall.
              Hi......
              There are many like that.
              If only my first digital camera had been fitted with a memory stick! I think it held ten photos maximum!

              The great walls and steel gates were dreadful things to see within communities.
              They may have been taken down by now, but I don't know. A trip around the streets on 'google-maps' would soon tell me. I must get on to that....... :)

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              • #22
                Originally posted by EvoUK View Post
                Any idea what the mood is in NI at the moment? (Aside from the loud sabre rattling from the usual suspects)
                Apart from occasional flare ups after traditional marches and such, things seem to be much more stable.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Celebrian View Post
                  I was on a tour that did 2 stops in NI a few years back. The 20 something guide said 2 things about the troubles: (1) it was about whether they were British or Irish, not religion and (2) her generation says they are neither British nor Irish - they are Northern Irish.
                  Yes..... that's correct.

                  If you hear any calls for the 'English to get out of Ireland' you'll know that the caller is uninformed.

                  There are only Northern Irish in Northern Ireland, but that HAS to include Catholic communities that have lived there for hundreds of years.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                    But this is about the murals.
                    Why do you imagine they exist?

                    As to Northern Irish politics, Iet us not forget the comment made in 2018 by the [then] British Secretary of State for Northern Ireland.

                    I freely admit that when I started this job, I didn’t understand some of the deep-seated and deep-rooted issues that there are in Northern Ireland. I didn’t understand things like when elections are fought, for example, in Northern Ireland – people who are nationalists don’t vote for unionist parties and vice versa. So, the parties fight for election within their own community."

                    Politics and religion are still very much intertwined in that province.


                    "It ain't necessarily so
                    The things that you're liable
                    To read in the Bible
                    It ain't necessarily so
                    ."

                    Sportin' Life
                    Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
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                      Why do you imagine they exist?
                      Why don't you start a thread on that! You really don't need to derail every thread you enter.

                      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by eider View Post
                        Where Catholic and Protestant Districts join...........
                        The walls and steel gates are about ten feet high. Barbed wire all around.
                        In peaceful times folks can travel from one area to t'other, but if any troubles ignite those great steel doors shut.

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                        Is this YOU?
                        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                          Why don't you start a thread on that! You really don't need to derail every thread you enter.
                          The fact remains that in Northern Ireland politics and religion are still very much interconnected - hence the murals in the different communities.
                          "It ain't necessarily so
                          The things that you're liable
                          To read in the Bible
                          It ain't necessarily so
                          ."

                          Sportin' Life
                          Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                            The fact remains that in Northern Ireland politics and religion are still very much interconnected - hence the murals in the different communities.
                            That's twice now you've brought up a tangential topic. You've been asked to stay on topic.

                            Why is that so hard for you?

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post

                              That's twice now you've brought up a tangential topic. You've been asked to stay on topic.

                              Why is that so hard for you?
                              Let it be known that, even though I inspired this thread ( ) I'm not the thread owner, so I can't officially remove her derail from the thread.
                              It's who she is!
                              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post

                                That's twice now you've brought up a tangential topic. You've been asked to stay on topic.

                                Why is that so hard for you?
                                Why are the murals there CD?

                                For the sarcastically impaired the following is said in jest

                                Perhaps you consider them to be examples of various blossoming artistic endeavours.



                                "It ain't necessarily so
                                The things that you're liable
                                To read in the Bible
                                It ain't necessarily so
                                ."

                                Sportin' Life
                                Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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