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    New Study Shows Hundreds of BLM 'Protests' Turned Violent

    Princeton, no less!

    For months Democrats and their allies in the media have claimed Black Lives Matter protests in cities across the country have been "mostly peaceful." Recently, CNN ran a chyron that stated "fiery but mostly peaceful" as a building in Kenosha, Wisconsin burned to the ground.

    But contrary to the narrative and according to a new study from Princeton University, over the past four months hundreds of "protests" have turned into violent, destructive riots.


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    "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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    • #3
      But they're mostly peaceful riots!
      "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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      • #4
        The reason that study gave us the 93% peaceful statistics is how it padded its numbers.

        Size of protest was ignored, size of town was ignored.

        So, a protest of 6 people in a town of 5000 was given equal weight to a protest of 10000 in a major metropolitan area..

        you have to dig deep into thier website to find their metdology.

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        • #5
          OP link is to a 6 month old news article. The study it's referring to that was new at the time was the study that said the BLM demonstrations were 93% non-violent. Here's the study. e.g. Here's some of the text on page 5-6 which has the OP pictured map:

          An Overwhelmingly Peaceful Movement

          The vast majority of demonstration events associated with the BLM movement are non-violent (see map below). In more than 93% of all demonstrations connected to the movement, demonstrators have not engaged in violence or destructive activity. Peaceful protests are reported in over 2,400 distinct locations around the country. Violent demonstrations, meanwhile, have been limited to fewer than 220 locations — under 10% of the areas that experienced peaceful protests. In many urban areas like Portland, Oregon, for example, which has seen sustained unrest since Floyd’s killing, violent demonstrations are largely confined to specific blocks, rather than dispersed throughout the city (CNN, 1 September 2020).

          [OP map picture]

          Yet, despite data indicating that demonstrations associated with the BLM movement are overwhelmingly peaceful, one recent poll suggested that 42% of respondents believe “most protesters [associated with the BLM movement] are trying to incite violence or destroy property” (FiveThirtyEight, 5 June 2020)...

          Research from the University of Washington indicates that this disparity stems from political orientation and biased media framing (Washington Post, 24 August 2020), such as disproportionate coverage of violent demonstrations (Business Insider, 11 June 2020). Groups like the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) have documented organized disinformation campaigns aimed at spreading a “deliberate mischaracterization of groups or movements [involved in the protests], such as portraying activists who support Black Lives Matter as violent extremists or claiming that antifa is a terrorist organization coordinated or manipulated by nebulous external forces” (ADL, 2020). These disinformation campaigns may be contributing to the decline in public support for the BLM movement after the initial increase following Floyd’s killing, especially amongst the white population (USA Today, 31 August 2020; Civiqs, 30 August 2020a, 30 August 2020b).


          Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
          Princeton, no less!
          Maybe you should believe the quote above then from their study?
          Last edited by Starlight; 03-01-2021, 03:10 AM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
            New Study Shows Hundreds of BLM 'Protests' Turned Violent
            Protest gatherings and marches can and do get out of control ....... especially as their size increases.
            Trouble is, there will always be villains in any crowd who take advantage, looting shops etc. At least, that's what we have experienced in the UK.

            So now that you have ascertained that fact, how would you move forward with such knowledge?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Starlight View Post
              OP link is to a 6 month old news article. The study it's referring to that was new at the time was the study that said the BLM demonstrations were 93% non-violent. Here's the study. e.g. Here's some of the text on page 5-6 which has the OP pictured map:

              An Overwhelmingly Peaceful Movement

              The vast majority of demonstration events associated with the BLM movement are non-violent (see map below). In more than 93% of all demonstrations connected to the movement, demonstrators have not engaged in violence or destructive activity. Peaceful protests are reported in over 2,400 distinct locations around the country. Violent demonstrations, meanwhile, have been limited to fewer than 220 locations — under 10% of the areas that experienced peaceful protests. In many urban areas like Portland, Oregon, for example, which has seen sustained unrest since Floyd’s killing, violent demonstrations are largely confined to specific blocks, rather than dispersed throughout the city (CNN, 1 September 2020).

              [OP map picture]

              Yet, despite data indicating that demonstrations associated with the BLM movement are overwhelmingly peaceful, one recent poll suggested that 42% of respondents believe “most protesters [associated with the BLM movement] are trying to incite violence or destroy property” (FiveThirtyEight, 5 June 2020)...

              Research from the University of Washington indicates that this disparity stems from political orientation and biased media framing (Washington Post, 24 August 2020), such as disproportionate coverage of violent demonstrations (Business Insider, 11 June 2020). Groups like the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) have documented organized disinformation campaigns aimed at spreading a “deliberate mischaracterization of groups or movements [involved in the protests], such as portraying activists who support Black Lives Matter as violent extremists or claiming that antifa is a terrorist organization coordinated or manipulated by nebulous external forces” (ADL, 2020). These disinformation campaigns may be contributing to the decline in public support for the BLM movement after the initial increase following Floyd’s killing, especially amongst the white population (USA Today, 31 August 2020; Civiqs, 30 August 2020a, 30 August 2020b).


              Maybe you should believe the quote above then from their study?
              3 people or more, any size town.

              Do you want to guess what % Trump gatherings would be deemed peaceful?

              What about far right demonstrations?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                New Study Shows Hundreds of BLM 'Protests' Turned Violent

                Princeton, no less!

                For months Democrats and their allies in the media have claimed Black Lives Matter protests in cities across the country have been "mostly peaceful." Recently, CNN ran a chyron that stated "fiery but mostly peaceful" as a building in Kenosha, Wisconsin burned to the ground.

                But contrary to the narrative and according to a new study from Princeton University, over the past four months hundreds of "protests" have turned into violent, destructive riots.


                Once again, misleading comments are made. The situation was not as clear-cut as many here would like to present it.

                From the actual study.


                The vast majority of demonstration events associated with the BLM movement are non-violent (see map below). In more than 93% of all demonstrations connected to the movement, demonstrators have not engaged in violence or destructive activity. Peaceful protests are reported in over 2,400 distinct locations around the country. Violent demonstrations, meanwhile, have been limited to fewer than 220 locations — under 10% of the areas that experienced peaceful protests. In many urban areas like Portland, Oregon, for example, which has seen sustained unrest since Floyd’s killing, violent demonstrations are largely confined to specific blocks, rather than dispersed throughout the city.
                [...]
                Research from the University of Washington indicates that this disparity stems from political orientation and biased media framing (Washington Post, 24 August 2020), such as disproportionate coverage of violent demonstrations (Business Insider, 11 June 2020). Groups like the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) have documented organized disinformation campaigns aimed at spreading a “deliberate mischaracterization of groups or movements [involved in the protests], such as portraying activists who support Black Lives Matter as violent extremists or claiming that antifa is a terrorist organization coordinated or manipulated by nebulous external forces” (ADL, 2020). These disinformation campaigns may be contributing to the decline in public support for the BLM movement after the initial increase following Floyd’s killing, especially amongst the white population (USA Today, 31 August 2020; Civiqs, 30 August 2020a, 30 August 2020b). This waning support also comes as the Trump administration recently shifted its “law and order” messaging to target local Democratic Party politicians from urban areas, particularly on the campaign trail (NPR, 27 August 2020). Despite the media focus on looting and vandalism, however, there is little evidence to suggest that demonstrators have engaged in widespread violence. In some cases where demonstrations did turn violent, there are reports of agents provocateurs — or infiltrators — instigating the violence. During a demonstration on 27 May in Minneapolis, for example, a man with an umbrella — dubbed the ‘umbrella man’ by the media and later identified as a member of the Hells Angels linked to the Aryan Cowboys, a white supremacist prison and street gang — was seen smashing store windows (Forbes, 30 May 2020; KSTP, 28 July 2020). It was one of the first reports of destructive activity that day, and it “created an atmosphere of hostility and tension” that helped spark an outbreak of looting following initially peaceful protests, according to police investigators, who believe the man “wanted to sow discord and racial unrest” (New York Times, 28 July 2020). In another example on 29 May in Detroit, a number of non-residents reportedly traveled to the city to engage in violent behavior during a demonstration, leading to multiple arrests (MLive, 2 June 2020).[...]

                The initial government response to the demonstrations was not uniform. Many early protests were held peacefully and without incident. In certain cities, like Los Angeles, California and Camden, New Jersey, authorities even expressed support by joining marches, taking a knee, or attending community meetings on reform (ABC7, 1 June 2020; CBS8, 15 June 2020; NJ Spotlight, 12 June 2020). In some cases these efforts reduced tensions between the community and the police, while in others demonstrators raised concerns that these displays served more as “PR stunts” than genuine acts of solidarity, potentially obscuring the scope of police abuse (ABC, 6 June 2020). At the start of June, for example, while some police officers kneeled with demonstrators in Buffalo, New York, separate reports surfaced showing the city’s police violently pushing an elderly protester to the ground, fracturing his skull, the next day (ABC, 6 June 2020; NPR, 30 June 2020).[...]

                Militarized Federal Reaction The escalating use of force against demonstrators comes amid a wider push to militarize the government’s response to domestic unrest, and particularly demonstrations perceived to be linked to left-wing groups like Antifa, which the administration views as a “terrorist” organization (New York Times, 31 May 2020). In the immediate aftermath of Floyd’s killing, President Trump posted a series of social media messages threatening to deploy the military and National Guard to disperse demonstrations, suggesting that authorities should use lethal force if demonstrators engage in looting (New York Magazine, 1 June 2020). The president called governors “weak” for allowing demonstrations in their states and instructed them to call in the National Guard to “dominate” and “cut through [protesters] like butter” (Vox, 2 June 2020). Senator Tom Cotton from Arkansas, an advisor to the president, recommended that the administration “send in the troops” and give “no quarter for insurrectionists, anarchists, rioters, and looters” (New York Times, 3 June 2020, 23 June 2020). Rhetoric soon translated to action: in early June, the government used National Guard troops, Secret Service agents, and US Park Police — among other federal agents — to violently disperse peaceful protests in Lafayette Square outside the White House to create a photo opportunity at St. John’s Church (Vox, 2 June 2020; New York Times, 10 June 2020).

                [...]
                A Rising Number of Counter-Protests Turning Violent In addition to armed individuals standing by without directly engaging demonstrations, there has also been an increase in the number of counter-protests confronting opposing demonstrators.3 Between 24 May and 22 August, over 360 counter-protests were recorded around the country, accounting for nearly 5% of all demonstrations. Of these, 43 — nearly 12% — turned violent, with clashes between pro-police demonstrators and demonstrators associated with the BLM movement. [...]

                This trend threatens to quickly escalate confrontations between protesters and counter-protesters into violent clashes. Recent events in Portland, Oregon on the night of 29 August point to how such confrontations can rapidly turn deadly. On that night, a caravan 4 demonstration — including members of Patriot Prayer, Three Percenters, and Proud Boys — took place in support of President Trump. The demonstrators drove trucks through the crowd and shot paintball guns and pepper spray at counter-demonstrators rallying in support of the BLM movement. [...]

                Looking Forward
                While these data present only a snapshot of demonstration activity and political violence in America, the trendlines are clear: demonstrations have erupted en masse around the country, and they are increasingly met with violence by state actors, non-state actors, and counter-demonstrators alike. With two months until the election, the US faces deep divisions over racial inequality, the role of the police, and economic hardship exacerbated by an ineffective pandemic response. The administration has taken multiple steps to inflame these tensions, from announcing further federal deployments in “Democrat-led cities” like Chicago and Albuquerque (AP, 22 July 2020) to threatening a postponement of the election altogether (BBC, 30 July 2020). In this hyper-polarized environment, state forces are taking a more heavy-handed approach to dissent, non-state actors are becoming more active and assertive, and counter-demonstrators are looking to resolve their political disputes in the street. Without significant mitigation efforts, these risks will continue to intensify in the lead-up to the vote, threatening to boil over in November if election results are delayed, inconclusive, or rejected as fraudulent

                [My emphasis]

                The last sentence proved to be remarkably prescient.
                "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful" Attrib. Seneca 4 BCE - 65 CE

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                • #9
                  Since BLM demonstrations are being reviewed here, and since we can all (mostly) see that larger demonstrations seem to attract villains who take advantages...... moving forward, how would you respond to all those demonstrations now?

                  Anybody?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by eider View Post
                    Since BLM demonstrations are being reviewed here, and since we can all (mostly) see that larger demonstrations seem to attract villains who take advantages...... moving forward, how would you respond to all those demonstrations now?

                    Anybody?
                    Swiftly arrest and severely prosecute rioters. If anyone is killed, contemplate adding murder charges to any rioter. Investigate protest speakers for instigation of riots. Crack down on rioters harshly, to serve as an example to others who might think of rioting. Work hard to identify and charge any rioter. Encourage social media companies to shut down any page that could contribute to the emotional situation that leads to riots.
                    Last edited by CivilDiscourse; 03-01-2021, 05:21 AM.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post

                      Swiftly arrest and severely prosecute rioters. If anyone is killed, contemplate adding murder charges to any rioter. Investigate protest speakers for instigation of riots. Crack down on rioters harshly, to serve as an example to others who might think of rioting. Work hard to identify and charge any rioter. Encourage social media companies to shut down any page that could contribute to the emotional situation that leads to riots.
                      Well that seems to have happened with recent riots.
                      And that is it?
                      Would you take any notice of how or why these situations get started?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by eider View Post

                        Well that seems to have happened with recent riots.
                        And that is it?
                        Would you take any notice of how or why these situations get started?
                        Peaceful protesting is a right, while rioting is not. The problem comes from the fact that often peaceful protests turn into riots. This means you have to be very careful in stopping riots you don't crack down on the peaceful protest.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post

                          Peaceful protesting is a right, while rioting is not. The problem comes from the fact that often peaceful protests turn into riots. This means you have to be very careful in stopping riots you don't crack down on the peaceful protest.
                          To which side would you give your support in the [so-called] Boston Massacre? The law enforcement agents coming to the aid of a comrade being verbally abused? Or the mob that attacked them with rocks and clubs?
                          "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful" Attrib. Seneca 4 BCE - 65 CE

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                            To which side would you give your support in the [so-called] Boston Massacre? The law enforcement agents coming to the aid of a comrade being verbally abused? Or the mob that attacked them with rocks and clubs?
                            I would engage with you, but given your past I don't think you are interested in honest debate.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post
                              I would engage with you, but given your past I don't think you are interested in honest debate.
                              My comment was made in a light-hearted spirit.

                              I sincerely doubt that any American on these boards would openly side with the Brits against their "Patriot" forebears!
                              "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful" Attrib. Seneca 4 BCE - 65 CE

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