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  • #16
    Originally posted by Ronson View Post

    Assuming that's correct, that's their choice. Some people would rather die on their feet than live on their knees.
    Do these same people refuse to use seat belts or bike helmets? Do they stop for red lights and look both ways before crossing the street?

    Seems to me I recall the same "freedom" arguments when car seat belts were first introduced.

    And who would consciously engage in behavior that would make them more prone to get a debilitating and potentially fatal disease in the name of "freedom", while also endangering their family and friends?

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

      OK, now you've brought to my mind that scene from Braveheart where William Wallace makes his famous horseback speech --- FREEDOM!!!!!!



      Aye, fight and you may die, run, and you'll live, at least a while, and dying in your beds, many years from now - would you be willing to trade all your days from this day to that for one chance - just ONE chance - to tell our enemy that they may take our lives, but they will NEVER take our FREEDOM!!!
      Freedom to do what? I notice that you are wearing a mask in your avatar.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by kccd View Post

        Will you be surprised when covid continues to be a serious health problem in Republican parts of the country?
        I will be no more surprised about that than I am that covid continues to be a serious health problem in Democratic parts of the country. Because, of course, we know that the Dems have everything perfectly under control where they are in power.

        Oh, wait.....California, New York, Michigan........oops. I guess I'm wrong about the Dems having it beat!



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        • #19
          Originally posted by kccd View Post
          If Sturgis events had been cancelled and public announcements had been made to that effect, many fewer would have shown up, and the consequences would not have been so serious.
          Unless the bikers called it off very few would have paid even the slightest attention to it. They're a pretty free spirited bunch not exactly know for being submissively docile. And most of those who I've known over the years aren't very political so their rebelliousness isn't really connected to political beliefs.



          I'm always still in trouble again

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          • #20
            Originally posted by mossrose View Post

            I will be no more surprised about that than I am that covid continues to be a serious health problem in Democratic parts of the country. Because, of course, we know that the Dems have everything perfectly under control where they are in power.

            Oh, wait.....California, New York, Michigan........oops. I guess I'm wrong about the Dems having it beat!
            For all the praise and adulation that the left heaped on New York and the rancor and mockery toward Florida, by virtually every measure it's the latter that is coming out of this in better shape than the former, in spite of the larger population in general and higher percentage of elderly at risk people.

            I'm always still in trouble again

            "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
            "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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            • #21
              Originally posted by seer View Post

              I'm trying to get her number - she should know that we're dating...
              She don't date rough old sailors.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by eider View Post

                She don't date rough old sailors.
                Her loss!
                Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by kccd View Post

                  She kept her hands off that biker rally, and the result was a huge surge in cases. Totally irresponsible "leadership".
                  If only it had been a biker rally for racial justice, that would've protected it and no calling off would've been necessary.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                    Unless the bikers called it off very few would have paid even the slightest attention to it. They're a pretty free spirited bunch not exactly know for being submissively docile. And most of those who I've known over the years aren't very political so their rebelliousness isn't really connected to political beliefs.

                    If fact, calling it off probably would have had the reverse effect. More would have come out just in protest.
                    "I was the CIA director. We lied, we cheated, we stole, it was like... we had entire training courses. It reminds you of the glory of the American experiment." - Mike Pompeo, Secretary of State (source).

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by kccd View Post

                      Do these same people refuse to use seat belts or bike helmets? Do they stop for red lights and look both ways before crossing the street?
                      I have no idea. Why is it important?

                      Seems to me I recall the same "freedom" arguments when car seat belts were first introduced.
                      And they are still valid arguments. Nanny-staters have anxiety attacks if they aren't controlling people, and forcing people to wear seatbelts and helmets is part of the syndrome.

                      And who would consciously engage in behavior that would make them more prone to get a debilitating and potentially fatal disease in the name of "freedom", while also endangering their family and friends?
                      There are a number of sexually-transmitted diseases that fall under that description.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by kccd View Post
                        And who would consciously engage in behavior that would make them more prone to get a debilitating and potentially fatal disease in the name of "freedom", while also endangering their family and friends?
                        [COUGH] AIDs epidemic [/COUGH]

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by kccd View Post
                          Freedom to do what? I notice that you are wearing a mask in your avatar.
                          I have the freedom to do or not to do -- I mostly don't, but thought that might be fun in the pool. And I'm free from the fear of death.

                          "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by kccd View Post

                            If Sturgis events had been cancelled and public announcements had been made to that effect, many fewer would have shown up, and the consequences would not have been so serious.

                            And yes, people would still have shown up as many conservatives have actively refused even the most basic mitigation steps like masking and social distancing. Polling even shows that few Republicans plan to get the vaccine.



                            https://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...get-vaccinated

                            Will you be surprised when covid continues to be a serious health problem in Republican parts of the country?
                            I've had Covid - a slight headache for about 4 or 5 hours, then absolutely ZERO symptoms, in spite of a positive test the next day.
                            "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                              I've had Covid - a slight fever for about 4 or 5 hours, then absolutely ZERO symptoms, in spite of a positive test the next day.
                              "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                                Unless the bikers called it off very few would have paid even the slightest attention to it.
                                Yeah, that's pretty ignorant to think that canceling the event would have been seen as anything other than throwing down the gauntlet.

                                They're a pretty free spirited bunch not exactly know for being submissively docile. And most of those who I've known over the years aren't very political so their rebelliousness isn't really connected to political beliefs.


                                "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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