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  • #61
    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
    She's definitely no martyr but a darn sight closer to being one than some of those the left turned into ones, like the guy who ambushed the guy in the MAGA hat in Portland killing him and later shot by police when he pulled his gun out. Or the guy in the middle of firebombing the ICE facility who leveled his "homemade" AR-15 at the police when they arrived and was shot.
    My guess is that he will be cleared of criminal charges, but IF the family can sue him in civil court for wrongful death, then all of the evidence comes out.
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
      Do you know why no other cops in the entire Capitol shot and killed people?
      It appears that in every other confrontation between cops and protesters, there was at least one locked and/or barricaded door between the protesters and congressmen.

      As soon as Ashli Babbitt went through that window, that was not the case.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

        I don't see anybody arguing that.
        Biden did:
        "You can ban chokeholds, but beyond that you have to teach [the police] how to de-escalate circumstances," said Biden. "So instead of anybody coming at you and the first thing you do is shoot to kill, you shoot them in the leg."

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Stoic View Post

          CP can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think police are trained to do that sort of thing.

          https://www.police1.com/patrol-issue...dYvNUEECtIWRI/
          Correct - Police are taught to shoot to stop, and that's always center body mass.

          He shot her in the neck.

          At close range, he's either a really bad shot, or he accidentally shot her trying to scare her away. Way before he shot her, he can be seen with his finger firmly on the trigger, while others in the room have their trigger finger fully extended alongside the action - which is the proper stance.
          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

            Well of course you would think that.
            Because an unarmed person climbing through a window is so much more dangerous than a person wanted for homicide drawing his gun on police or someone who was trying to actually shoot the police with a rifle (but fortunately it jammed) moments after throwing Molotov cocktails and trying to ignite a large propane tank attached to a building
            Last edited by rogue06; 02-26-2021, 12:47 PM.

            I'm always still in trouble again

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Stoic View Post
              It appears that in every other confrontation between cops and protesters, there was at least one locked and/or barricaded door between the protesters and congressmen.

              As soon as Ashli Babbitt went through that window, that was not the case.
              She never went through the window. Had she made it through, she probably would have fallen onto the ground where she could be taken into custody, and where it would be crystal clear that she was not armed.

              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                Because an unarmed person climbing through a window is so much more dangerous than a person wanted for homicide drawing his gun on police or someone who was trying to actually shoot the police with a rifle (but fortunately it jammed) moments after throwing Molotov cocktails and trying to ignite a large propane tank attached to a building
                Not when she is part of a mob breaking and entering and the officer has no idea what weapon[s] she might be concealing.

                Furthermore, "USCP officers work to protect life and property; prevent, detect, and investigate criminal acts [...]Additionally, USCP officers are responsible for protecting members and officers of Congress and their families."

                https://www.house.gov/the-house-expl...capitol-police
                "It ain't necessarily so
                The things that you're liable
                To read in the Bible
                It ain't necessarily so
                ."

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by CivilDiscourse View Post

                  Biden did:
                  "You can ban chokeholds, but beyond that you have to teach [the police] how to de-escalate circumstances," said Biden. "So instead of anybody coming at you and the first thing you do is shoot to kill, you shoot them in the leg."
                  OK, I should have clarified "no reasonable person". Biden's the same one who advised people to step outside and fire a shotgun in the air.
                  The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                    She never went through the window. Had she made it through, she probably would have fallen onto the ground where she could be taken into custody, and where it would be crystal clear that she was not armed.
                    She was shot as she made an attempt to climb through the window and she fell backwards on to the stair landing area.
                    "It ain't necessarily so
                    The things that you're liable
                    To read in the Bible
                    It ain't necessarily so
                    ."

                    Sportin' Life
                    Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                      Correct - Police are taught to shoot to stop, and that's always center body mass.

                      He shot her in the neck.

                      At close range, he's either a really bad shot, or he accidentally shot her trying to scare her away. Way before he shot her, he can be seen with his finger firmly on the trigger, while others in the room have their trigger finger fully extended alongside the action - which is the proper stance.
                      Most of the accounts say that she was shot in the upper chest.

                      From the photo, I can't tell whether his finger is on the trigger, or in front of the trigger guard.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Stoic View Post
                        It appears that in every other confrontation between cops and protesters, there was at least one locked and/or barricaded door between the protesters and congressmen.

                        As soon as Ashli Babbitt went through that window, that was not the case.
                        In this video, you can very clearly see the tactical police coming up the stairs, meeting no resistance, and the officers who had been blocking the door are relieved of duty, because they were not in tactical gear.

                        You can also see Babbit climbing through the window - both hands clearly visible from the inside - and she was still shot in the neck.

                        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                          She never went through the window. Had she made it through, she probably would have fallen onto the ground where she could be taken into custody, and where it would be crystal clear that she was not armed.
                          Or, as far as the officer knew, a whole bunch of people would be jumping through right after her.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Stoic View Post

                            Most of the accounts say that she was shot in the upper chest.

                            From the photo, I can't tell whether his finger is on the trigger, or in front of the trigger guard.
                            Can you see it now? Even BEFORE he goes to the door?
                            Not only is his finger on the trigger, his gun is pretty much lined up with the back of one of his own guys.

                            Look at the other armed officer - the proper stance for an officer in a threat situation.

                            babbits shooter.jpg
                            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Stoic View Post
                              Or, as far as the officer knew, a whole bunch of people would be jumping through right after her.
                              You're really not getting this --- you NEVER fire without knowing what you're gonna hit - her hands were clearly in the window, she was NOT a deadly threat.
                              And, again, there were other officers behind him. Was it you who said he was the only one in the room?
                              It's not even a room - it's the LOBBY of the room.

                              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                                In this video, you can very clearly see the tactical police coming up the stairs, meeting no resistance, and the officers who had been blocking the door are relieved of duty, because they were not in tactical gear.

                                You can also see Babbit climbing through the window - both hands clearly visible from the inside - and she was still shot in the neck.

                                If only the officer had taken the time to watch that video before he shot her.

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