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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
Well, no, but you're playing ditzy judger.
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostOne of us is actually trained law enforcement, and, while not now on active duty, still very closely associated with law enforcement.
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostNobody else has been required to agree with everything I have written, but nobody else is being a ditz.
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThis type of arrogant pointless arguing for which you are rather infamous doesn't belong here."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostI have pointed out that you have the luxury of time to assess and reassess all the potential options and outcomes of that incident. And of course you are also quite safe in your own home while you do so.
After a deadly officer-involved shooting, he is required to complete an after-action report.
It is then standard procedure that a shooting board be convened to evaluate the incident.
I have been the subject of two shooting boards (cleared both times) and I have served on 4 shooting boards.
In a shooting board (some departments will call it something else) the board members go over every aspect of the shooting.
It's exhaustive - every detail, the state of mind of the officer, what was he thinking, what else he could have done, overall circumstances.
It's pretty much what I've been doing here - because this is an area of my expertise.
Whether or not it "cuts any ice with you" (what a dumb saying) doesn't matter to me one little bit.
You have a habit of drawing every thread into long drawn nit-picking back and forth - and that's something up with which I shall not put.
Now, you have been asked to leave the thread - so if it was not clear enough before - let me make it crystal clear now.
As thread owner, I'm asking you to leave the thread - I have no interest whatsoever in anything you have to say.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
I'll address this, then remind you that you have been asked not to post in this thread anymore -- perhaps I didn't make that clear enough.
After a deadly officer-involved shooting, he is required to complete an after-action report.
It is then standard procedure that a shooting board be convened to evaluate the incident.
I have been the subject of two shooting boards (cleared both times) and I have served on 4 shooting boards.
In a shooting board (some departments will call it something else) the board members go over every aspect of the shooting.
It's exhaustive - every detail, the state of mind of the officer, what was he thinking, what else he could have done, overall circumstances.
It's pretty much what I've been doing here - because this is an area of my expertise.
Whether or not it "cuts any ice with you" (what a dumb saying) doesn't matter to me one little bit.
You have a habit of drawing every thread into long drawn nit-picking back and forth - and that's something up with which I shall not put.
Now, you have been asked to leave the thread - so if it was not clear enough before - let me make it crystal clear now.
As thread owner, I'm asking you to leave the thread - I have no interest whatsoever in anything you have to say."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Somebody had mentioned that it didn't appear that the shooter's gun was aimed at anybody, because in that cropped picture, you couldn't see many other people in the room.
Here's a more complete picture - note that he's not necessarily "aiming" at anybody, but his finger is on the trigger, it's a Glock .40, and there is somebody in his field of fire. When your weapon is drawn, and your finger is on the trigger, you make DURN SURE nobody is in your field of fire.
You'll also see that there are at least 4 other armed officers/persons in that room - none of whom are handling weapons inappropriately.
wider shot.jpgLast edited by Cow Poke; 02-26-2021, 08:33 PM.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostWe should likewise "bookmark" the conservatives when they defend such incidents.
Same with equating an unarmed person climbing through a window as being as bad (if not worse!) than a wanted cold-blooded killing suspect pulling a pistol out when the cops arrive, or pointing a rifle at the police while in the middle of firebombing cars and trying to blow up a building.
I'm always still in trouble again
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostIf you can find similar cases of such stellar examples as postulating that someone could be armed (not suddenly reaching into a pocket, but just the possibility) as justification for shooting someone then please do. Such an argument is indeed moronic.
Same with equating an unarmed person climbing through a window as being as bad (if not worse!) than a wanted cold-blooded killing suspect pulling a pistol out when the cops arrive, or pointing a rifle at the police while in the middle of firebombing cars and trying to blow up a building.
There was another officer that day in a similar situation, but he didn't rush to shoot the protesters, he quickly summoned reinforcements, and they drove the protesters back.
Now THAT was heroic - and smart - action!
One of the problems was that Capitol Police officers could not get straight answers for rules of engagement regarding the use of deadly force for the expected event.
While it is certainly the duty of the Capitol Police to protect the Capitol and its occupants - a huge part of their job is public relations.
I've shared before that, when Mrs CP and I visited DC a while back, we walked up to the Capitol to take pictures, and it was two Capitol Police Officers who approached us and asked us if we'd like a tour of the building. They were quite friendly and professional, and pointed out that when the flag is displayed, a session is in progress. They ushered us to 'security', and guided us to the galley where we are able to watch Nancy marshalling her troops and and directing operations.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Capitol Police Officer Eugene Goodman is the officer who was awarded the Congressional Gold Medal because of his courage in diverting a mob...
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He wasn't hiding behind a barrier and shooting from the side - he stepped out and confronted the protesters, exercising what is known in police circles as "command presence".The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
She has been dispatched from this thread, so we need not be addressing her.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostCapitol Police Officer Eugene Goodman is the officer who was awarded the Congressional Gold Medal because of his courage in diverting a mob...
congressional gold medal.jpg
He wasn't hiding behind a barrier and shooting from the side - he stepped out and confronted the protesters, exercising what is known in police circles as "command presence".
And yes, Goodman has been rightfully lauded for saving lives that day. Not necessarily the lives of lawmakers, but the lives of protesters. Because officers were waiting in the Senate Chamber with guns drawn, and if rioters had broken in while Senators were present, they might have suffered the same fate as Ashli Babbitt.
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Originally posted by Stoic View PostAshli Babbitt's shooter was reportedly assigned to the Speaker's Lobby, so he may not have had as much discretion to move around the Capitol as Goodman. Each officer has his own assignment.
And yes, Goodman has been rightfully lauded for saving lives that day. Not necessarily the lives of lawmakers, but the lives of protesters. Because officers were waiting in the Senate Chamber with guns drawn, and if rioters had broken in while Senators were present, they might have suffered the same fate as Ashli Babbitt.
The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by kccd View Post
You think she should be made a saint? Or memorialized as a martyr to the cause?
Yes, I know this sounds harsh, and I am not celebrating her death, but the fact is she was in the process of breaking and entering when she was shot.
How many gun owners would not hesitate to shoot someone breaking into their home through a window? Especially if that person was part of an unruly mob?"If you believe, take the first step, it leads to Jesus Christ. If you don't believe, take the first step all the same, for you are bidden to take it. No one wants to know about your faith or unbelief, your orders are to perform the act of obedience on the spot. Then you will find yourself in the situation where faith becomes possible and where faith exists in the true sense of the word." - Dietrich Bonhoeffer, The Cost of Discipleship
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostThose who did would likely be quickly arrested for manslaughter since at that point it would be hard to claim they were an immediate threat. After they had entered and kept advancing as you warned them to stop would be a different matter."If you believe, take the first step, it leads to Jesus Christ. If you don't believe, take the first step all the same, for you are bidden to take it. No one wants to know about your faith or unbelief, your orders are to perform the act of obedience on the spot. Then you will find yourself in the situation where faith becomes possible and where faith exists in the true sense of the word." - Dietrich Bonhoeffer, The Cost of Discipleship
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Originally posted by myth View PostIndeed. I'll start with the caveat that I don't know the details of why she was shot (what she was doing, where she was standing, etc). So, barring, a totally unrighteous shoot, my first thought was: play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by mossrose View Post
I think her death should be treated the same way that the deaths of people by police officers were treated all last year. I'm sure if this person was a black liberal you would be the first one to call her a martyr and a saint.
You are absolutely celebrating her death. You are a deplorable person."If you believe, take the first step, it leads to Jesus Christ. If you don't believe, take the first step all the same, for you are bidden to take it. No one wants to know about your faith or unbelief, your orders are to perform the act of obedience on the spot. Then you will find yourself in the situation where faith becomes possible and where faith exists in the true sense of the word." - Dietrich Bonhoeffer, The Cost of Discipleship
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