Pretty much from its inception Wikipedia was accused of leaning to the left, although one study from 2012 found that the level of bias had diminished by that time: Is Wikipedia Biased? but now it appears to be back with a vengeance.
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Pretty much from its inception Wikipedia was accused of leaning to the left, although one study from 2012 found that the level of bias had diminished by that time: Is Wikipedia Biased? but now it appears to be back with a vengeance.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --TassmanTags: None
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The online community tends toward being young and techy people and they tend to lean left, so you'd expect an encyclopedia edited by the online community to reflect the general views of its editors.
The two main pages for "Socialism" and "Communism" which the OP article has a long cry about are nearly all theoretical discussions of the many different varieties of socialism and communism, not a discussion of outcomes or history.
Wikipedia has other articles titled...
Mass killings under communist regimes
List of massacres in the Soviet Union
Excess mortality in the Soviet Union under Joseph Stalin
...so it's not like it avoids the topic.
I don't know whether I'd agree or not with the OP article's psychological obsession that discussion of deaths under communist regimes should be included in articles about the theories and types of socialism and capitalism or not - in an article about Capitalism would you expect a discussion of genocides or mass deaths or slavery in capitalist nations or a list of everything capitalist countries and governments have ever done wrong?"I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostThe online community tends toward being young and techy people and they tend to lean left, so you'd expect an encyclopedia edited by the online community to reflect the general views of its editors.
The two main pages for "Socialism" and "Communism" which the OP article has a long cry about are nearly all theoretical discussions of the many different varieties of socialism and communism, not a discussion of outcomes or history.
Wikipedia has other articles titled...
Mass killings under communist regimes
List of massacres in the Soviet Union
Excess mortality in the Soviet Union under Joseph Stalin
...so it's not like it avoids the topic.
I don't know whether I'd agree or not with the OP article's psychological obsession that discussion of deaths under communist regimes should be included in articles about the theories and types of socialism and capitalism or not - in an article about Capitalism would you expect a discussion of genocides or mass deaths or slavery in capitalist nations or a list of everything capitalist countries and governments have ever done wrong?
The genocides that took place by the left were an integral part of their implementing their policies such as the Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution in China, the Holdomor in the Ukraine, the Great Purge and Decossackization in the Soviet Union, and the Killing Fields of Cambodia. Without them those regimes would not have been able to maintain control. To exclude them from general discussions on various regimes and countries makes no sense. It would be like separating any discussion about the Nazis from an article about Germany during the 20th century.
And slavery is hardly something unique to Capitalism as we can see what is going on today in Western China.
Btw, considering that you consider Stalin to have been a right-winger it is interesting to see you list Excess mortality in the Soviet Union under Joseph Stalin among atrocities committed by the leftLast edited by rogue06; 02-22-2021, 07:10 AM.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostThe online community tends toward being young and techy people and they tend to lean left, so you'd expect an encyclopedia edited by the online community to reflect the general views of its editors.
The two main pages for "Socialism" and "Communism" which the OP article has a long cry about are nearly all theoretical discussions of the many different varieties of socialism and communism, not a discussion of outcomes or history.
Wikipedia has other articles titled...
Mass killings under communist regimes
List of massacres in the Soviet Union
Excess mortality in the Soviet Union under Joseph Stalin
...so it's not like it avoids the topic.
I don't know whether I'd agree or not with the OP article's psychological obsession that discussion of deaths under communist regimes should be included in articles about the theories and types of socialism and capitalism or not - in an article about Capitalism would you expect a discussion of genocides or mass deaths or slavery in capitalist nations or a list of everything capitalist countries and governments have ever done wrong?
I'm perfectly OK, for example, with a treatment of capitalism in the US to include the horror of slavery - it's a lesson from which we should learn and never do again.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
It would seem that an intellectually honest treatment of any philosophy or governmental system should include both the pluses and minuses of such a system.
I'm perfectly OK, for example, with a treatment of capitalism in the US to include the horror of slavery - it's a lesson from which we should learn and never do again.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostAmerica's history of slavery is the other example that I had in mind when I cited the Nazis and Germany. Neither are left out of basic articles on the subjects of the U.S. and Germany, forcing those interested to look up specific separate articles. And that's the way it should be.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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No surprise. Far from being the promised Information Superhighway, the Internet has turned into the Disinformation Superhighway and yet another advertising channel. In some places, its turned into a way to control the population. So I'm not surprised to learn that Wikipedia is yet another place where individuals are post their truth instead of the truth or the whole story."For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6
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Originally posted by Starlight View Post
I don't know whether I'd agree or not with the OP article's psychological obsession that discussion of deaths under communist regimes should be included in articles about the theories and types of socialism and capitalism or not - in an article about Capitalism would you expect a discussion of genocides or mass deaths or slavery in capitalist nations or a list of everything capitalist countries and governments have ever done wrong?
Genocide and mass death are usually brought up in the historical development of the Americas by Europeans. The genocide that tend to be hushed up are the ones committed by the Young Turks.
The atrocities of the Congo Free State would naturally be brought up under the time period of Imperialism and the Scramble for Africa.P1) If , then I win.
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Wikipedia has been strongly liberally biased for at least a decade. I'm surprised people are just figuring it out now. It's okay for getting a brief overview of technical topics, or finding out what year a band released an album, but it is wholly worthless for any topic that is slightly political or religious in nature since such articles tend to be nothing more than outlets for liberal propaganda.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostWikipedia has been strongly liberally biased for at least a decade. I'm surprised people are just figuring it out now. It's okay for getting a brief overview of technical topics, or finding out what year a band released an album, but it is wholly worthless for any topic that is slightly political or religious in nature since such articles tend to be nothing more than outlets for liberal propaganda.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Post
Yeah to me it's always been somewhat of a joke when someone uses it as a source.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostWikipedia has been strongly liberally biased for at least a decade. I'm surprised people are just figuring it out now. It's okay for getting a brief overview of technical topics, or finding out what year a band released an album, but it is wholly worthless for any topic that is slightly political or religious in nature since such articles tend to be nothing more than outlets for liberal propaganda.
It probably is making the MSM green with envy.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostThis is far more than just having a liberal slant. It is whitewashing and trying to conceal things in an obvious manner.
It probably is making the MSM green with envy.
Wikipedia was an interesting but failed social experiment. The hypothesis that only those who were knowledgeable in a subject would edit pages, and everybody else would exercise restraint seemed to ignore human nature.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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You can't establish bias by only looking at treatment of one side. The OP complains about the articles on communism and socialism not mentioning various atrocities by Russia, China and others. It doesn't say whether the articles on e.g. republicanism, totalitarianism etc do mention atrocities. If they don't - and a quick look suggests they don't* - there's no bias and no discrimination, just a somewhat odd policy, and the author of the article is merely showing his own bias.
*The page on Nazism does, but that one is possibly more germane than the others since genocide was central to the ideology.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
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